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Post#61 » by dirkforpres » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:24 am

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Absinthe wrote:I think Cuban is full of it and is pissed that it leaked out that the Mavs are shipping Porzingis. He’s covering his rear end just in case they can’t move him.

Recent rumors have the Mavs talking to the Warriors in a potential Porzingis deal. I think that the warriors would deal for Porzingis if it meant getting rid of Draymond. It will be interesting to see if the Mavs want to gamble on such a headache. If the Mavs could get Wiseman that would be a no brained. He’s the type of five that Doncic would love to play with. A five that has floor spacing ability on top of being an ultra athletic roller.
It's hard to justify trading for Draymond and his contract. I guess it depends on what else Golden State trade us. Future picks, Wiseman, because it needs to be something.

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Wiseman and anything for Porzingis would have to be considered a win for the Mavs IMO. I doubt Warriors would trade Draymond, but I think Oubre or Wiggins would likely have to be the “throw in” in a potential KP deal. Wiseman would obviously be the big snag for Dallas regardless though.

Only reason why I think Wiseman is involved is because can’t imagine a lineup that has KP, Wiseman, and Draymond in it... and I can’t imagine Mavs trading KP without getting someone along the same timeline as Luka otherwise
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Re: Packages for Porzingis 

Post#62 » by Apz » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:45 pm

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Absinthe wrote:I think Cuban is full of it and is pissed that it leaked out that the Mavs are shipping Porzingis. He’s covering his rear end just in case they can’t move him.

Recent rumors have the Mavs talking to the Warriors in a potential Porzingis deal. I think that the warriors would deal for Porzingis if it meant getting rid of Draymond. It will be interesting to see if the Mavs want to gamble on such a headache. If the Mavs could get Wiseman that would be a no brained. He’s the type of five that Doncic would love to play with. A five that has floor spacing ability on top of being an ultra athletic roller.
It's hard to justify trading for Draymond and his contract. I guess it depends on what else Golden State trade us. Future picks, Wiseman, because it needs to be something.

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Wiseman and anything for Porzingis would have to be considered a win for the Mavs IMO. I doubt Warriors would trade Draymond, but I think Oubre or Wiggins would likely have to be the “throw in” in a potential KP deal. Wiseman would obviously be the big snag for Dallas regardless though.

Only reason why I think Wiseman is involved is because can’t imagine a lineup that has KP, Wiseman, and Draymond in it... and I can’t imagine Mavs trading KP without getting someone along the same timeline as Luka otherwise


But the gsw would have to pay for getting rid of wiggins, which their fanbase on rgm isnt fancy about since the only thing of value they got is that minny pick
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Re: Packages for Porzingis 

Post#63 » by dirkforpres » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:25 pm

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dirkforpres wrote:
HMFFL wrote:It's hard to justify trading for Draymond and his contract. I guess it depends on what else Golden State trade us. Future picks, Wiseman, because it needs to be something.

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Wiseman and anything for Porzingis would have to be considered a win for the Mavs IMO. I doubt Warriors would trade Draymond, but I think Oubre or Wiggins would likely have to be the “throw in” in a potential KP deal. Wiseman would obviously be the big snag for Dallas regardless though.

Only reason why I think Wiseman is involved is because can’t imagine a lineup that has KP, Wiseman, and Draymond in it... and I can’t imagine Mavs trading KP without getting someone along the same timeline as Luka otherwise


But the gsw would have to pay for getting rid of wiggins, which their fanbase on rgm isnt fancy about since the only thing of value they got is that minny pick


Well the Minny pick was always likely going to be more valuable than Wiggins ever would’ve been for them. Turning D’Angelo Russell into Porzingis and the Minnesota 1st is incredible GM’ing.
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Post#64 » by HMFFL » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:14 pm

Best case for me is that Nikola Vucevic and Karl-Anthony Towns become available this off-season. Nikola seems content with Orlando and KAT hasn't said he wants out of Minnesota yet.

Nikola Vucevic
2020-21: $26,000,000
2021-22: $24,000,000
2022-23: $22,000,000

KAT
2020-21: $29,430,000
2021-22: $31,610,000
2022-23: $33,790,000
2023-24: $36,016,200

Slim but I can hope. Minnesota's new coach Chris Finch will have to build chemistry with his new team as a first time head coach. I don't believe he will have a problem doing it.


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Post#65 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:02 am

First let me say that I this proposed by someone on another board. Would this be a good package for KP? Does this even make sense for the Jazz?

KP (+filler if needed)

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Post#66 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:03 am

HMFFL wrote:Best case for me is that Nikola Vucevic and Karl-Anthony Towns become available this off-season. Nikola seems content with Orlando and KAT hasn't said he wants out of Minnesota yet.

Nikola Vucevic
2020-21: $26,000,000
2021-22: $24,000,000
2022-23: $22,000,000

KAT
2020-21: $29,430,000
2021-22: $31,610,000
2022-23: $33,790,000
2023-24: $36,016,200

Slim but I can hope. Minnesota's new coach Chris Finch will have to build chemistry with his new team as a first time head coach. I don't believe he will have a problem doing it.


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Isn’t Vucevic a huge Dirk fan? I could see him wanting to come to Dallas.


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Post#67 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:14 am

Mr B wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Best case for me is that Nikola Vucevic and Karl-Anthony Towns become available this off-season. Nikola seems content with Orlando and KAT hasn't said he wants out of Minnesota yet.

Nikola Vucevic
2020-21: $26,000,000
2021-22: $24,000,000
2022-23: $22,000,000

KAT
2020-21: $29,430,000
2021-22: $31,610,000
2022-23: $33,790,000
2023-24: $36,016,200

Slim but I can hope. Minnesota's new coach Chris Finch will have to build chemistry with his new team as a first time head coach. I don't believe he will have a problem doing it.


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Isn’t Vucevic a huge Dirk fan? I could see him wanting to come to Dallas.


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I will be fine if we sign Nikola Vucevic or Nikola Jokić in free agency after the 2022-23 season.

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Post#68 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:18 pm

Brad Townsend: Porzingis on the trade rumors: “It kind of came out and it is what it is. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.” He says he focuses on not allowing distractions to affect his preparation.

 

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Post#69 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:56 pm

Kristaps Porzingis (back) practiced on Friday and "felt good" according to coach Rick Carlisle. 

Carlisle added that he'd like to see where Porzingis is at on Saturday but does expect him to return vs. the Nets. This would be Porzingis' first game since Feb. 14th, so we would expect some type of restrictions if he's cleared this close to the break. 

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Post#70 » by Mavrelous » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:42 am

Sounds much more innocent than people are making it out to be, there was talk, he heard about it, and he's disappointed.
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Post#71 » by Darren » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:33 pm

1. KP + Powell + filler = Westbrook + Wagner + filler. The Mavs gets a win-now beast and a stretch big whom the Mavs targeted on draft night. Washington gets a young building block around.
2. KP + J-Rich + Green = Walker + Smart + Nesmith. The Mavs gets players whom has been on radar for long. Boston gets a frontcourt piece to pair with the core.
3. KP + Maxi = Wiseman + Wiggins + pick. The Mavs gets a younger core. GSW gets win-now talents to extend the contending windows.
4. KP + Terry + Iwundu = Zeller + Monk + Bridges + Biyombo. The Mavs gets a young backcourt duo in Monk and Bridges. Charlotte gets more versatile frontcourt in KP to get into black horse status in contending.
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Post#72 » by Mavrelous » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:33 pm

Mavs shoudn't do 1, Boston and Mavs shouldn't do 2, Kemba is a bad fit in Dallas, Charlotte doesn't do 4, I think 3 is fair (the pick should GSW pick not Minny), but GSW fans on the T&T reject it.
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Post#73 » by ozwizard8 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:01 pm

Darren wrote:1. KP + Powell + filler = Westbrook + Wagner + filler. The Mavs gets a win-now beast and a stretch big whom the Mavs targeted on draft night. Washington gets a young building block around.
2. KP + J-Rich + Green = Walker + Smart + Nesmith. The Mavs gets players whom has been on radar for long. Boston gets a frontcourt piece to pair with the core.
3. KP + Maxi = Wiseman + Wiggins + pick. The Mavs gets a younger core. GSW gets win-now talents to extend the contending windows.
4. KP + Terry + Iwundu = Zeller + Monk + Bridges + Biyombo. The Mavs gets a young backcourt duo in Monk and Bridges. Charlotte gets more versatile frontcourt in KP to get into black horse status in contending.

1- Westbrook looks like a negative asset to me. I mean he got traded for the albatross contract of J.Wall. Although he is a stat-padding beast, his minutes does not help winning. WB would solely look for Luka's role on defense/rebounding and offense as a ball handler. So he'd just make Dallas inefficient without adding anything. Healthy KP helps a lot to defense and add another layer on the offense for sure. Healthy WB would only bring the team down.
2- Walker was only a 'star' for a bottom team. As he moved to Celtics, now people know that he is no star. His offense works for lottery teams. He looks like a rich men's Trey Burke. No need to steal any role from Doncic or Brunson so hard pass. M.Smart would be better than J.Rich but I don't think this is enough. I would not want to take on Kemba max.
3- Wiseman and a pick would be a decent return. Wiggins with his contract sounds like a negative asset but you cant get any better package at the moment. KP's stock is very low though, not a great time to sell. I would not like to part ways with Maxi but if its Minnesota pick, I'd wish him luck in GSW run.
4- I haven't checked the Zeller contract but I guess him and Biyombo expiring are there for mostly salary matching purposes. Monk-Bridges would be ok return but this trade would only inflate the Mavs roster.
SG rotation of J.Rich-THJ-Monk
SF rotation of DFS-Bridges-Jonhson
C rotation Zeller-Biyombo-WCS-Powell-Boban
Too many players to create the main rotation.

At the end of the day, Mavs FO should think about the next 5 years, not just this one.
If you get WB, you'd barely make playoffs for the next 2 years without any hope for more. Or if you get Monk/Bridges/Zeller this would be a team that is cap-locked and mediocre for a long time.

Wiseman-Wiggins would make some sense. Mavs would be betting on the potential of those 2. Can Wiggins make a comeback? Can Wiseman defend?
KP was also a gamble. No-one would give you a perfectly healthy KP at age of 24, not even Knicks FO. It would take a kings ransom. Mavs FO made a bet for KP. It was looking really good until the playoff injury. When he's healthy, he's a pretty good pairing with Doncic. In 2/28/2020, KP was doing great and no-one here wanted to trade him. Perhaps one year later from now, 2/28/2022, people would feel the same if KP stays healthy.
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Post#74 » by Mr B » Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:22 pm

KhalilS wrote:Mavs shoudn't do 1, Boston and Mavs shouldn't do 2, Kemba is a bad fit in Dallas, Charlotte doesn't do 4, I think 3 is fair (the pick should GSW pick not Minny), but GSW fans on the T&T reject it.

Actually the Mavs have been wanting to add a guy like Kemba. In fact they actually tried to add Kemba himself before he signed with the Celtics. The Mavs have been looking for a second ball handler that will allow Luka to play off ball from time to time.


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Post#75 » by Mavrelous » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:49 am

There should be another ball handler, but not a max contract one. Brunson and Ball/Fournier are fine.
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Post#76 » by 8David24 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 1:42 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Mr B wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Best case for me is that Nikola Vucevic and Karl-Anthony Towns become available this off-season. Nikola seems content with Orlando and KAT hasn't said he wants out of Minnesota yet.

Nikola Vucevic
2020-21: $26,000,000
2021-22: $24,000,000
2022-23: $22,000,000

KAT
2020-21: $29,430,000
2021-22: $31,610,000
2022-23: $33,790,000
2023-24: $36,016,200

Slim but I can hope. Minnesota's new coach Chris Finch will have to build chemistry with his new team as a first time head coach. I don't believe (bet at home odds are high) he will have a problem doing it.


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I will be fine if we sign Nikola Vucevic or Nikola Jokić in free agency after the 2022-23 season.

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I really hope Dallas tradePorzingis as soon as possible. Jokic or KAT, that will be great
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Post#77 » by taibumu » Mon Mar 1, 2021 2:09 pm

8David24 wrote:
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Mr B wrote:Isn’t Vucevic a huge Dirk fan? I could see him wanting to come to Dallas.


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I really hope Dallas tradePorzingis as soon as possible. Jokic or KAT, that will be great
In my opinion you don't have a good perspective here.
KP right now is not a good saleable asset for the team.
He only can improve in a few weeks and that will be another history, because Dallas will be able to get better options if you decide to trade KP.
But right now, is a negative perspective.

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Post#78 » by Mr B » Mon Mar 1, 2021 5:19 pm

8David24 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Mr B wrote:Isn’t Vucevic a huge Dirk fan? I could see him wanting to come to Dallas.


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I really hope Dallas tradePorzingis as soon as possible. Jokic or KAT, that will be great

Nah, they should hold out for Labron or Giannis.


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Post#79 » by Mr B » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:19 am

After tonight does this mean that the Mavs are winning the KP trade again?


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Post#80 » by HMFFL » Tue Mar 2, 2021 5:46 am

taibumu wrote:
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HMFFL wrote:
I will be fine if we sign Nikola Vucevic or Nikola Jokić in free agency after the 2022-23 season.

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I really hope Dallas tradePorzingis as soon as possible. Jokic or KAT, that will be great
In my opinion you don't have a good perspective here.
KP right now is not a good saleable asset for the team.
He only can improve in a few weeks and that will be another history, because Dallas will be able to get better options if you decide to trade KP.
But right now, is a negative perspective.

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I don't believe we can trade for Nikola Vucevic, Nikola Jokić, or Kat at the moment. Down the line maybe one will be a possibly in three years.



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