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Post#41 » by HMFFL » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:08 am

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The actual trade we made with NO is far better than what you proposed the other day

JD45 wrote:Based on some speculative reports, the Pelicans could use Ball to dump salary.

NOP Trades: Ball, Adams, Bledsoe ($57 mil outgoing salary)

Mavs Trade: THJ, Johnson, Richardson, Burke ($49 mil outgoing salary)

Mavs are probably worse this year, but get a younger player with more upside and a massively overpaid C for the rotation.

NOP clears all bad contracts. They could end up keeping Richardson or Hardaway.


Ha, I still like my trade better.

The Mavs are setting up for a grim off-season for fans when we see how much they are going to pay to keep THJ and JRich after that playoff loss in the first round.


I expect the offseason to be more productive than that. We absolutely don't need to sign THJ to anything close to 18m per season like he currently makes. I was hoping we would shop him for some pieces today but that didn't seem to be the case.

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Post#42 » by Pinkyring » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:17 am

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The actual trade we made with NO is far better than what you proposed the other day



Ha, I still like my trade better.

The Mavs are setting up for a grim off-season for fans when we see how much they are going to pay to keep THJ and JRich after that playoff loss in the first round.


I expect the offseason to be more productive than that. We absolutely don't need to sign THJ to anything close to 18m per season like he currently makes. I was hoping we would shop him for some pieces today but that didn't seem to be the case.

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Looking at this a second time here is where I'm intrigued, if redick can be kept for a 2/10 deal I'd be ok letting thj go and pursuing lowry or Conley this summer, I'm really not all that keen on keeping Richardson either tbh
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Post#43 » by HMFFL » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:33 am

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Ha, I still like my trade better.

The Mavs are setting up for a grim off-season for fans when we see how much they are going to pay to keep THJ and JRich after that playoff loss in the first round.


I expect the offseason to be more productive than that. We absolutely don't need to sign THJ to anything close to 18m per season like he currently makes. I was hoping we would shop him for some pieces today but that didn't seem to be the case.

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Looking at this a second time here is where I'm intrigued, if redick can be kept for a 2/10 deal I'd be ok letting thj go and pursuing lowry or Conley this summer, I'm really not all that keen on keeping Richardson either tbh
In regards to Lowry, Conley, and even Chris Paul. How do you believe it will work with Luka being so ball dominate?

I mention Chris Paul since you wanted us to pursue him by trade before he brought his value back up.

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Post#44 » by ozwizard8 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:07 am

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Before season started, i listened to Redick talking to Cuban on his podcast and they were so chill with eachother. Mark really likes him because he is a hard worker and Redick was also enthusiastic about Mavs young core. So i'm hopefull he will fully invest his time and help this team forward with his leadership and experience.

Also, people are probably not aware, Redick can play few minutes and you wouldn't know he already scored 15-20 points if you didn't check the box score lol.

I can easily see him scoring a quick 8 points in the 2nd quarter or start of the 4th in a playoff game. This could change the outcomes of some games. If he's healthy he's a nice addition for playoffs as well.


I can easily see him getting scored upon for easy 8 points. This could change the outcomes of some games. If injured that may not happen though...

Yes, that will be related with his health and whether he lost the required athleticism to stay on the floor.
Carlisle always open god-mode on playoffs. He even gave Boban minutes and get some production out of him. That was insane. Even in regular season, teams are easily using his many defensive weaknesses but Carlisle just put him in the best situation with a good defensive plan.
Carlisle was able to hide JJ.Barea and then last season Burke in playoffs. He can find ways to hide JJ.Redick for 10-15mpg. Maybe not for all of the 7 game series though.
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Post#45 » by jpengland » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:34 am

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daoneandonly wrote:
The actual trade we made with NO is far better than what you proposed the other day



Ha, I still like my trade better.

The Mavs are setting up for a grim off-season for fans when we see how much they are going to pay to keep THJ and JRich after that playoff loss in the first round.


I expect the offseason to be more productive than that. We absolutely don't need to sign THJ to anything close to 18m per season like he currently makes. I was hoping we would shop him for some pieces today but that didn't seem to be the case.

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To sign anybody above the MLE, we have to let THJ and Richardson walk.

We would then have the smaller MLE left too.

The question is, who is signing who makes Dallas better than keeping THJ, Jrich and a full MLE guy?

As I keep saying, the only viable option is to remain an over the cap team, bring guys back and add someone on the full MLE. That does mean you have to pay those two what they want.

It's why I'm disappointed we didn't send Johnson and the 2nd for a multi year deal.
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Post#46 » by KhalilS » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:56 am

I wanted Aaron Gordon, not sure Josh Green and Jrich would've done it.
Another deal I thought would've helped is Drmmond and Prince for Powell and Johnson and Boban, the Mavs lack size, and Prince gives a similar role to Johnson, money wise you turn Powell into expiring, you could use for S&T this offseason.
All in all, this team's fate hinges on Luka and KP's chemistry and this is where most of the work should be invested.
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Post#47 » by leolozon » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:28 am

KhalilS wrote:I wanted Aaron Gordon, not sure Josh Green and Jrich would've done it.
Another deal I thought would've helped is Drmmond and Prince for Powell and Johnson and Boban, the Mavs lack size, and Prince gives a similar role to Johnson, money wise you turn Powell into expiring, you could use for S&T this offseason.
All in all, this team's fate hinges on Luka and KP's chemistry and this is where most of the work should be invested.


Gordon was traded for Hampton (24th in 2020) and a protected 1st in 2025. Harris was salary filler considering he has been really bad for 2 years.
Green, a protected first in 2025 + salary filler could have potentially done it if that's what they wanted to do. No need to include Richardson.
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Post#48 » by Pinkyring » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:38 am

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I expect the offseason to be more productive than that. We absolutely don't need to sign THJ to anything close to 18m per season like he currently makes. I was hoping we would shop him for some pieces today but that didn't seem to be the case.

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Looking at this a second time here is where I'm intrigued, if redick can be kept for a 2/10 deal I'd be ok letting thj go and pursuing lowry or Conley this summer, I'm really not all that keen on keeping Richardson either tbh
In regards to Lowry, Conley, and even Chris Paul. How do you believe it will work with Luka being so ball dominate?

I mention Chris Paul since you wanted us to pursue him by trade before he brought his value back up.

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Lowry isn't ball dominant neither is conley. Paul is but he isn't opting out of 40m, regardless, luka is going to have to come off the ball 100% of the time anyway for this team to win, we need a secondary playmaker so if we can have lowry or Conley run the offense 30% with luka the other 70% that's a nice balance. My ideal offseason is lowry 3/54 danny green 3/30 and ibaka 3/30 then use the room exception on Batum 3/10 that makes us a contender, we get shooting, leadership, defense and championship experience, but more importantly, everybody expires with kp so we go for it now snd in 3 years we have empty books besides luka a top 10 player at 25 and all our picks, roster would look like this

Lowry/Brunson/terry
D green/josh green/
Luka/Finney smith
Ibaka/maxi/dfs/bey
Kp/maxi/powell

I frankly have zero interest in bringing back thj or Richardson on big deals, neither have any unique skills we can't get cheaper
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Post#49 » by guille_4 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:16 am

Pinkyring wrote:
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Pinkyring wrote:Looking at this a second time here is where I'm intrigued, if redick can be kept for a 2/10 deal I'd be ok letting thj go and pursuing lowry or Conley this summer, I'm really not all that keen on keeping Richardson either tbh
In regards to Lowry, Conley, and even Chris Paul. How do you believe it will work with Luka being so ball dominate?

I mention Chris Paul since you wanted us to pursue him by trade before he brought his value back up.

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Lowry isn't ball dominant neither is conley. Paul is but he isn't opting out of 40m, regardless, luka is going to have to come off the ball 100% of the time anyway for this team to win, we need a secondary playmaker so if we can have lowry or Conley run the offense 30% with luka the other 70% that's a nice balance. My ideal offseason is lowry 3/54 danny green 3/30 and ibaka 3/30 then use the room exception on Batum 3/10 that makes us a contender, we get shooting, leadership, defense and championship experience, but more importantly, everybody expires with kp so we go for it now snd in 3 years we have empty books besides luka a top 10 player at 25 and all our picks, roster would look like this

Lowry/Brunson/terry
D green/josh green/
Luka/Finney smith
Ibaka/maxi/dfs/bey
Kp/maxi/powell

I frankly have zero interest in bringing back thj or Richardson on big deals, neither have any unique skills we can't get cheaper


Yeh, Dallas isn't LA nor NYK.

You need to be overpay to get those players in Dallas - those are 'fair deals'.
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Post#50 » by daoneandonly » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:44 am

guille_4 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
HMFFL wrote:In regards to Lowry, Conley, and even Chris Paul. How do you believe it will work with Luka being so ball dominate?

I mention Chris Paul since you wanted us to pursue him by trade before he brought his value back up.

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Lowry isn't ball dominant neither is conley. Paul is but he isn't opting out of 40m, regardless, luka is going to have to come off the ball 100% of the time anyway for this team to win, we need a secondary playmaker so if we can have lowry or Conley run the offense 30% with luka the other 70% that's a nice balance. My ideal offseason is lowry 3/54 danny green 3/30 and ibaka 3/30 then use the room exception on Batum 3/10 that makes us a contender, we get shooting, leadership, defense and championship experience, but more importantly, everybody expires with kp so we go for it now snd in 3 years we have empty books besides luka a top 10 player at 25 and all our picks, roster would look like this

Lowry/Brunson/terry
D green/josh green/
Luka/Finney smith
Ibaka/maxi/dfs/bey
Kp/maxi/powell

I frankly have zero interest in bringing back thj or Richardson on big deals, neither have any unique skills we can't get cheaper


Yeh, Dallas isn't LA nor NYK.

You need to be overpay to get those players in Dallas - those are 'fair deals'.


lowry isnt coming here, and ibaka/green arent even close to different makers. Richardson is far better than both those guys
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Post#51 » by Pinkyring » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:52 pm

guille_4 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
HMFFL wrote:In regards to Lowry, Conley, and even Chris Paul. How do you believe it will work with Luka being so ball dominate?

I mention Chris Paul since you wanted us to pursue him by trade before he brought his value back up.

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Lowry isn't ball dominant neither is conley. Paul is but he isn't opting out of 40m, regardless, luka is going to have to come off the ball 100% of the time anyway for this team to win, we need a secondary playmaker so if we can have lowry or Conley run the offense 30% with luka the other 70% that's a nice balance. My ideal offseason is lowry 3/54 danny green 3/30 and ibaka 3/30 then use the room exception on Batum 3/10 that makes us a contender, we get shooting, leadership, defense and championship experience, but more importantly, everybody expires with kp so we go for it now snd in 3 years we have empty books besides luka a top 10 player at 25 and all our picks, roster would look like this

Lowry/Brunson/terry
D green/josh green/
Luka/Finney smith
Ibaka/maxi/dfs/bey
Kp/maxi/powell

I frankly have zero interest in bringing back thj or Richardson on big deals, neither have any unique skills we can't get cheaper


Yeh, Dallas isn't LA nor NYK.

You need to be overpay to get those players in Dallas - those are 'fair deals'.

Lowry isn't going to a lotto team and no good team has more than 18m to give lowry per year and if u can lock him in u can snag the other 2
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Post#52 » by Bnice5 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:06 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
guille_4 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Lowry isn't ball dominant neither is conley. Paul is but he isn't opting out of 40m, regardless, luka is going to have to come off the ball 100% of the time anyway for this team to win, we need a secondary playmaker so if we can have lowry or Conley run the offense 30% with luka the other 70% that's a nice balance. My ideal offseason is lowry 3/54 danny green 3/30 and ibaka 3/30 then use the room exception on Batum 3/10 that makes us a contender, we get shooting, leadership, defense and championship experience, but more importantly, everybody expires with kp so we go for it now snd in 3 years we have empty books besides luka a top 10 player at 25 and all our picks, roster would look like this

Lowry/Brunson/terry
D green/josh green/
Luka/Finney smith
Ibaka/maxi/dfs/bey
Kp/maxi/powell

I frankly have zero interest in bringing back thj or Richardson on big deals, neither have any unique skills we can't get cheaper


Yeh, Dallas isn't LA nor NYK.

You need to be overpay to get those players in Dallas - those are 'fair deals'.

Lowry isn't going to a lotto team and no good team has more than 18m to give lowry per year and if u can lock him in u can snag the other 2


Swap JRICH for Danny Green on that same contract and I could get behind this... I still have Maxi start though and have Ibaka as the first big off the bench for KP and DFS starting instead of JRICH...

Lowry/Brunson/Terry
Luka/JRICH/Green
DFS/Luka/Bey
Maxi/DFS/Bey
KP/Ibaka/Powell
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Post#53 » by Pinkyring » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:18 pm

Bnice5 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
guille_4 wrote:
Yeh, Dallas isn't LA nor NYK.

You need to be overpay to get those players in Dallas - those are 'fair deals'.

Lowry isn't going to a lotto team and no good team has more than 18m to give lowry per year and if u can lock him in u can snag the other 2


Swap JRICH for Danny Green on that same contract and I could get behind this... I still have Maxi start though and have Ibaka as the first big off the bench for KP and DFS starting instead of JRICH...

Lowry/Brunson/Terry
Luka/JRICH/Green
DFS/Luka/Bey
Maxi/DFS/Bey
KP/Ibaka/Powell

Richardson isn't going to take that and if we get Lowry id much rather have greens shooting
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Post#54 » by leolozon » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:27 pm

The team's best player is 22. I can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would want 32yo+ guys clearly on the decline. Unless the goal is to be a top 4 seed and nothing else, I fail to see the point of giving 3 years deals to Danny Green, Lowry and Ibaka.

Anyway, everything is depending on KP being a top 25-30 player and healthy. Until it happens, I personally think that the Mavs best bet in the next 2-3 years is to develop and take wild swings on young free agents.
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Post#55 » by Darren » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:26 pm

I really don't think highly of this move. Reddick is 36 already with one of the career worst season. The stretch big is having a really bad shooting season as well. The Mavs will waste the 2nd rounder anyway. I am okay for that. But I don't think this move makes any difference after all considered the fact that J-Rich can only defend (2-3) without any shooting. Meanwhile, JJ can shoot light out without much defense. Either way, this move doesn't help much on playoff floor. If the intention is to get a shooting coach. So be it. What about Dirk or Barea? That's exactly what I'm thinking of. If the stretch big doesn't turn any corner, this move may look bad.

I really don't know if Reddick is a vocal leader or a damn good shooting coach for the likes of Green, Bey or Terry. In case it is, this trade at least makes a little more sense. I'd rather just waive Iwundu for Tyson Chandler or Thou Maker. I think this is the kind of moves of interested to me. The second rounder are much better off moving for Frank Ntilikina at the very least. That's bad asset management until proven otherwise. I really doubt Reddick takes that much minutes away from J-Rich and Hardaway.
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Post#56 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:00 pm

Hi guys, Italian guy here :wink:

I have seen Melli a lot of time in Italy live, he Is a system player.
I think Dallas is the perfect place for him.

He Is a poor version of Maxi, maybe worse on defense but better rebounder. Good locker room presence and a lot of exp in Euroleague.
He could play 10/15 min. so DFS will play only SF.

Sorry for my english :oops:
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Post#57 » by Pinkyring » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:43 am

leolozon wrote:The team's best player is 22. I can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would want 32yo+ guys clearly on the decline. Unless the goal is to be a top 4 seed and nothing else, I fail to see the point of giving 3 years deals to Danny Green, Lowry and Ibaka.

Anyway, everything is depending on KP being a top 25-30 player and healthy. Until it happens, I personally think that the Mavs best bet in the next 2-3 years is to develop and take wild swings on young free agents.

U got any better ideas? U wanna overpay Richardson and thj this summer to solidify a 6th seed the next few years? Lowry has at least 2 good years left, last year is a wash but he's still playing around and all star level, green and ibaka are just complimentary pieces that can shoot the 3 and defend. Id love to add young talent instead so if you know of any available this summer do tell?
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Post#58 » by leolozon » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:33 am

Pinkyring wrote:
leolozon wrote:The team's best player is 22. I can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would want 32yo+ guys clearly on the decline. Unless the goal is to be a top 4 seed and nothing else, I fail to see the point of giving 3 years deals to Danny Green, Lowry and Ibaka.

Anyway, everything is depending on KP being a top 25-30 player and healthy. Until it happens, I personally think that the Mavs best bet in the next 2-3 years is to develop and take wild swings on young free agents.

U got any better ideas? U wanna overpay Richardson and thj this summer to solidify a 6th seed the next few years? Lowry has at least 2 good years left, last year is a wash but he's still playing around and all star level, green and ibaka are just complimentary pieces that can shoot the 3 and defend. Id love to add young talent instead so if you know of any available this summer do tell?


I rather play THJ for the next 3 years than Danny Green or Lowry. I'm not sure Lowry has two good years left. He's going to be 35, he's 6', he has started to decline and his next drop is going to make him a below average player. His defense has gotten worst this year too.

Anytime younger talent was available (Wood, Gordon), the Mavs didn't seem to want to make a move. So what do I know?
I also think they should have played Green over Burke from the get go. So I must be crazy.

I'm not going to claim that I know all the guys that will really be available next year.

Still, I think Lonzo and Richaun Holmes are better options than Lowry and Ibaka.
In fact, I would rather offer some money at Cameron Payne than Lowry. He's a great shooter, can pass the ball and he's just 26.

Maybe Dinwiddie? Otto Porter?

If you want to gamble on a bench player, I think Derrick Jones Jr. can probably have more potential than what he is showing right now.

Throwing a max at Collins seems like a potential disaster waiting to happen if we have to wait for the Hawks to match.

As for THJ and JRich, I would gladly keep THJ. The same could be true of JRich if he turns it around. The potential is still there.

It could mean that the Mavs would need to do a sign and trade to add talent, which is why keeping 2nd round picks is important.
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Post#59 » by Pinkyring » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:10 am

leolozon wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
leolozon wrote:The team's best player is 22. I can't even begin to comprehend why anyone would want 32yo+ guys clearly on the decline. Unless the goal is to be a top 4 seed and nothing else, I fail to see the point of giving 3 years deals to Danny Green, Lowry and Ibaka.

Anyway, everything is depending on KP being a top 25-30 player and healthy. Until it happens, I personally think that the Mavs best bet in the next 2-3 years is to develop and take wild swings on young free agents.

U got any better ideas? U wanna overpay Richardson and thj this summer to solidify a 6th seed the next few years? Lowry has at least 2 good years left, last year is a wash but he's still playing around and all star level, green and ibaka are just complimentary pieces that can shoot the 3 and defend. Id love to add young talent instead so if you know of any available this summer do tell?


I rather play THJ for the next 3 years than Danny Green or Lowry. I'm not sure Lowry has two good years left. He's going to be 35, he's 6', he has started to decline and his next drop is going to make him a below average player. His defense has gotten worst this year too.

Anytime younger talent was available (Wood, Gordon), the Mavs didn't seem to want to make a move. So what do I know?
I also think they should have played Green over Burke from the get go. So I must be crazy.

I'm not going to claim that I know all the guys that will really be available next year.

Still, I think Lonzo and Richaun Holmes are better options than Lowry and Ibaka.
In fact, I would rather offer some money at Cameron Payne than Lowry. He's a great shooter, can pass the ball and he's just 26.

Maybe Dinwiddie? Otto Porter?

If you want to gamble on a bench player, I think Derrick Jones Jr. can probably have more potential than what he is showing right now.

Throwing a max at Collins seems like a potential disaster waiting to happen if we have to wait for the Hawks to match.

As for THJ and JRich, I would gladly keep THJ. The same could be true of JRich if he turns it around. The potential is still there.

It could mean that the Mavs would need to do a sign and trade to add talent, which is why keeping 2nd round picks is important.

Lowry is 17 6 and 8 with a better ts than thj has ever had he's also still a better defender than thj will ever be. Most importantly we need a secondary playmaker, I'm not opposed to lonzo but lowry is better, as for holmes hes a center and we have a starting center already. Payne is a scrub having his first decent season in his career, I'll pass. Richardson isn't worth anything more than 10-12 million, some team will probably overpay so it's an easy pass for me
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