Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

fuller4379 · Post #2861 » by **fuller4379** » Mon Oct 4, 2021 7:43 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:They finished tied with Atlanta for the 3rd worst record in the league at 24-58, just 3 games away from Phoenix's 21-61. The Mavs won a lot stupid games that they shouldn't have the 2nd half of the season. Things like subbing in JJ Barea in the 4th quarter vs Sacramento when they were down by double digits and then pulling out the win. If they wanted to, they could have gone 20-62 and gotten the worst record in the league, which would have locked them into the top 4 picks and given them a 65% chance to be in the top 3. Things like bringing Harrison Barnes & other key players back off the IL when they didn't need to.

It's ironic to think that Mavs could have had that #3 pick without giving up a future first... and in hindsight, with the way things have worked out, Cam Reddish would have been a nice player to have with the rest of the current roster, lol. Even if not Cam Reddish at #10, could have traded back to get so many others... Boston and Brooklyn both had multiple picks in the 1st round that they may have been willing to give up to move up to #10. Then passed on Talen Horton Tucker in the 2nd round too, to take Sirvydis... then traded Sirvydis for Isaiah Roby and two 2nd round picks (one of which became WCS so that's okay... but the other could have been used to take my guy Sims this year but was used on Delon Wright instead... and Dallas' own 2nd this year was sent away for Reddick).

This is just one sequence. There's been a lot of draft night crappola over the years. Nico doesn't give me confidence either, since he's not a roster-builder... but a relationships guy. The Mavs really need someone like Rob Pelinka or Travis Schlenk at the helm, if they want to keep good teams around Doncic for his whole career. The draft can't be effed up to this extent, thinking that all roster issues will be addressed thru free agency.

We probably would have given the Knicks three firsts in the KP trade instead of two. Assuming that the Mavs only had to trade two FRPs for KP, then it would have been 2019 and 2021. Proper tanking might have saved the 2023 FRP for Dallas.

DJ_3_Ball · Post #2862 » by **DJ_3_Ball** » Tue Oct 5, 2021 6:53 am

fuller4379 wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:We probably would have given the Knicks three firsts in the KP trade instead of two. Assuming that the Mavs only had to trade two FRPs for KP, then it would have been 2019 and 2021. Proper tanking might have saved the 2023 FRP for Dallas.

Geez, I never even thought about that. Considering the Mavs picked figured to be high that year, if the Mavs had made the 2019 pick unprotected, then that might have been all they had to give up. I mean, they would of protected it top 5 or something like that. Definitely not giving a freeroll on Zion Williamson away. I definitely think they could have gotten out with that 2019 1st and a future 2nd rounder.

Geez Louise! Ugh. Gut punch.

DJ_3_Ball · Post #2863 » by **DJ_3_Ball** » Tue Oct 5, 2021 6:54 am

LAL1947 wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:They finished tied with Atlanta for the 3rd worst record in the league at 24-58, just 3 games away from Phoenix's 21-61. The Mavs won a lot stupid games that they shouldn't have the 2nd half of the season. Things like subbing in JJ Barea in the 4th quarter vs Sacramento when they were down by double digits and then pulling out the win. If they wanted to, they could have gone 20-62 and gotten the worst record in the league, which would have locked them into the top 4 picks and given them a 65% chance to be in the top 3. Things like bringing Harrison Barnes & other key players back off the IL when they didn't need to.

It's ironic to think that Mavs could have had that #3 pick without giving up a future first... and in hindsight, with the way things have worked out, Cam Reddish would have been a nice player to have with the rest of the current roster, lol. Even if not Cam Reddish at #10, could have traded back to get so many others... Boston and Brooklyn both had multiple picks in the 1st round that they may have been willing to give up to move up to #10. Then passed on Talen Horton Tucker in the 2nd round too, to take Sirvydis... then traded Sirvydis for Isaiah Roby and two 2nd round picks (one of which became WCS so that's okay... but the other could have been used to take my guy Sims this year but was used on Delon Wright instead... and Dallas' own 2nd this year was sent away for Reddick).

This is just one sequence. There's been a lot of draft night crappola over the years. Nico doesn't give me confidence either, since he's not a roster-builder... but a relationships guy. The Mavs really need someone like Rob Pelinka or Travis Schlenk at the helm, if they want to keep good teams around Doncic for his whole career. The draft can't be effed up to this extent, thinking that all roster issues will be addressed thru free agency.

AMEN.

Mr B · Post #2864 » by **Mr B** » Tue Oct 5, 2021 5:00 pm

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41Dirk41 · Post #2865 » by **41Dirk41** » Tue Oct 5, 2021 8:34 pm

Beautiful...i will buy it for sure :nod:

Post #2866 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Oct 7, 2021 12:09 am

Sekou Doumbouya traded again as Brooklyn sends him to Houston, which plans to release him

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.detroitbadboys.com/platform/amp/2021/10/6/22712052/nba-trade-sekou-doumbouya-brooklyn-nets-houston-rockets-detroit-pistons

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Post #2867 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Oct 7, 2021 12:09 am

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Yes, a must have.

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gottamakeit · Post #2868 » by **gottamakeit** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 1:32 am

Mr B wrote:

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Lettering looks a few sizes too small

Post #2869 » by **HMFFL** » Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:23 am

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LAL1947 · Post #2870 » by **LAL1947** » Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:27 pm

Here's your chance to build a proper roster around Luka, lol.

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Mr B · Post #2871 » by **Mr B** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:24 am

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41Dirk41 · Post #2872 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:15 am

Trade incoming?

leolozon · Post #2873 » by **leolozon** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:32 am

Mr B wrote:

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???

If they liked Onu why didn't they keep him for training camp and preseason? I don't get it.

They signed him in August and waived him in 2 weeks later according to what I'm reading. What are they doing?

And Justin Jackson? That's random...

Post #2874 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:29 pm

Golden State wavier some talent.

Kerr informed forward-center Jordan Bell and guards Avery Bradley, Mychal Mulder and Gary Payton II that they were being waived.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-waive-avery-bradley-gary-payton-ii-keep-roster-spot-open%3famp

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Teffer10 · Post #2875 » by **Teffer10** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:13 pm

leolozon wrote:
Mr B wrote:

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???

If they liked Onu why didn't they keep him for training camp and preseason? I don't get it.

They signed him in August and waived him in 2 weeks later according to what I'm reading. What are they doing?

And Justin Jackson? That's random...

Honestly don't understand what they see in JJ. Maybe he impressed Kidd somewhere along the line but he's been around awhile and couldn't make it on one of the worst teams in the league.
I have my doubts about Green ever making it in this league but if JJ gets either his or Omoruyi's spot on the roster I would be extremely pissed.

Onu doesn't do anything for me because Brown and Omoruyi are the two guys we should be developing.
Onu only makes sense as a player to develop if we are planning to move Brown in a package to upgrade the rotation.

arkuo · Post #2876 » by **arkuo** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:14 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
leolozon wrote:
Mr B wrote:

Read on Twitter
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???

If they liked Onu why didn't they keep him for training camp and preseason? I don't get it.

They signed him in August and waived him in 2 weeks later according to what I'm reading. What are they doing?

And Justin Jackson? That's random...

Honestly don't understand what they see in JJ. Maybe he impressed Kidd somewhere along the line but he's been around awhile and couldn't make it on one of the worst teams in the league.
I have my doubts about Green ever making it in this league but if JJ gets either his or Omoruyi's spot on the roster I would be extremely pissed.

Onu doesn't do anything for me because Brown and Omoruyi are the two guys we should be developing.
Onu only makes sense as a player to develop if we are planning to move Brown in a package to upgrade the rotation.

My guess is they won't be signing Powell to a new deal once his current one is up. They need to find a suitable replacement for his role this early. They have some candidates for sure. But they look pretty raw.

It's a shooters' league given that Kidd wanted Justin Jackson back. Maybe he's also on the look out for a 3&D center to replace Powell eventually when he time comes.

Mr B · Post #2877 » by **Mr B** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:17 pm

The could just be camp bodies too. Obviously they are going to want to rest KP some so someone has to get those minutes.

Scratch that: camp is over. Disregard this comment, nothing to see here.

Post #2878 » by **Mavrelous** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:14 pm

It's Gleague signings, they probabely though that Hunt and Jones aren't worth keeping their rights, but Onu is, which is weird, Hunt won't contribute anything in 2 years, but he has great potential.

leolozon · Post #2879 » by **leolozon** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:14 pm

Mr B wrote:The could just be camp bodies too. Obviously they are going to want to rest KP some so someone has to get those minutes.

Scratch that: camp is over. Disregard this comment, nothing to see here.

I can't wait for the explanation, because signing a guy during summer, then cutting him before the camp, only to sign him again after the camp is over, makes no sense. As is signing Jackson to ride the bench when we have enough dept as it is in the below average range.

Even if it's for the G league, I'm not sure why Hunt isn't a better option than Jackson or the guy they cut at the beginning of September.

arkuo · Post #2880 » by **arkuo** » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:00 pm

KhalilS wrote:It's Gleague signings, they probabely though that Hunt and Jones aren't worth keeping their rights, but Onu is, which is weird, Hunt won't contribute anything in 2 years, but he has great potential.

My guess is it came down to developing Hunt or Green and they went with Josh Green for that role.

It's rare that a playoff team can have a bunch of teenagers or players in their early 20s playing heavy minutes. Omoruyi, Brunson, Brown and Green are all projects at this point.