The Mavs should make a hard push for Holmes!

mpoo_sin · Post #1 » by **mpoo_sin** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:27 pm

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/7/20/22576668/richaun-holmes-could-be-the-center-the-mavericks-deserve

I am a huge fan of his and think he would be a perfect fit. A starting lineup featuring Porzingis and Holmes would be awesome at the defensive end. Holmes could take on the heavier/stronger inside opponents and let Porzingis be there for helpside blocks - a role that suits him a lot more than being tasked to wrestle with those type of players directly.
I personally think this trade alone would vault the Mavericks into title contention, given the usual premisses of health and a good portion of luck.

If Holmes can be had for the projected 20mil/year the Mavs should absolutely go for him! Probably the best available Target this offseason.
What do you think?

Post #2 » by **Mavrelous** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:16 pm

I'd love to have Holmes, but Mavs are limited in resources and PG with great shooting touch is higher priority than defensive 4/5.

Post #3 » by **HMFFL** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:35 pm

Holmes has been a popular player here and he's on my want list, but we don't need to write him a blank check. There are plenty of big men options available and ones that will be more affordable.

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SOUNDCHASER · Post #4 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:37 am

HMFFL wrote:Holmes has been a popular player here and he's on my want list, but we don't need to write him a blank check. There are plenty of big men options available and ones that will be more affordable.
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If we add any significant talent i would want a SF that is a more versatile 2 way player

leolozon · Post #5 » by **leolozon** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:22 am

I don't mind Holmes, but how will he defend the stronger guy at 6'10, 235 pounds? I remember some sac fans complaining that he was getting bullied by bigger centers. Is it that much better than having Kleber on defense? He's a better shot blocker I guess. But that's too much money invested on big men.

mpoo_sin · Post #6 » by **mpoo_sin** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:23 am

leolozon wrote:I don't mind Holmes, but how will he defend the stronger guy at 6'10, 235 pounds? I remember some sac fans complaining that he was getting bullied by bigger centers. Is it that much better than having Kleber on defense? He's a better shot blocker I guess. But that's too much money invested on big men.

He has a low center of gravity. I watched him a lot these past two seasons and he was able to hold his around against big Cs. He also looks quite bulky.

Someone suggested that their is a larger need for a good pg/shot creator. Another suggested a better SF. Which players that would make a difference are actually available this offseason? I would love to read some realistic suggestions.

Personally i think the starting SF-spot at least is not the problem. Finney-Smith is very good in that role.

dirkforpres · Post #7 » by **dirkforpres** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:12 am

I’d love to have Holmes, but 20 million a year for him is a huge gamble for a guy that has been a good stats/bad team guy his entire career. He’s worth a Christian Wood salary… no more, no less

jpengland · Post #8 » by **jpengland** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:56 am

No point adding Holmes at the price he would cost when we have Porzingis. They can't play together in a playoff series and that's likely 50 odd million tied up in your 5 rotation (60 odd if you also include Dwight Powell).

If KP were moved, he'd be an option but his defense isn't great and I don't know how much value he truly adds over a 5m option at C. I'd rather spend the money on wings and a playmaker.

arkuo · Post #9 » by **arkuo** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:44 am

Cant have 2 bigs playing together in a playoff series when teams adjust and play small ball to counter your bigs. I'd invest on more wing players if it were my call. Starting quality wing players to be specific.

Mike lorenzo · Post #10 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:07 pm

I would rather go for B.Portis..he can play 4/5 defends and is an excellent shooter and is even younger than Holmes

mpoo_sin · Post #11 » by **mpoo_sin** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:58 pm

arkuo wrote:Cant have 2 bigs playing together in a playoff series when teams adjust and play small ball to counter your bigs. I'd invest on more wing players if it were my call. Starting quality wing players to be specific.

Again: it would be great if you could name actual available/getable players.
Who is a "quality wing player" or a "pg that can create"?
If possible be more specific guys!

arkuo · Post #12 » by **arkuo** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:59 pm

mpoo_sin wrote:
arkuo wrote:Cant have 2 bigs playing together in a playoff series when teams adjust and play small ball to counter your bigs. I'd invest on more wing players if it were my call. Starting quality wing players to be specific.

Again: it would be great if you could name actual available/getable players.
Who is a "quality wing player" or a "pg that can create"?
If possible be more specific guys!

Personally I would go for Dinwiddie via S&T or Derozan signed straight up.

Even WIl Barton and Norm Powell opted out of their deals and can be had. We'll see.

mpoo_sin · Post #13 » by **mpoo_sin** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:56 pm

arkuo wrote:
mpoo_sin wrote:
arkuo wrote:Cant have 2 bigs playing together in a playoff series when teams adjust and play small ball to counter your bigs. I'd invest on more wing players if it were my call. Starting quality wing players to be specific.

Again: it would be great if you could name actual available/getable players.
Who is a "quality wing player" or a "pg that can create"?
If possible be more specific guys!

Personally I would go for Dinwiddie via S&T or Derozan signed straight up.

Even WIl Barton and Norm Powell opted out of their deals and can be had. We'll see.

Of those guys you named i think i like Dinwiddie the most although i don t know how much he could help on the defensive end. Offensively he would be an amazing fit.
DeRozan is a bad fit imho. He is not spacing the floor and is an incredibly bad defender. Same goes for Barton and i think Powell is good but to small.
You know what the contract status of Dinwiddie is?

mpoo_sin · Post #14 » by **mpoo_sin** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:57 pm

arkuo wrote:
mpoo_sin wrote:
arkuo wrote:Cant have 2 bigs playing together in a playoff series when teams adjust and play small ball to counter your bigs. I'd invest on more wing players if it were my call. Starting quality wing players to be specific.

Again: it would be great if you could name actual available/getable players.
Who is a "quality wing player" or a "pg that can create"?
If possible be more specific guys!

Personally I would go for Dinwiddie via S&T or Derozan signed straight up.

Even WIl Barton and Norm Powell opted out of their deals and can be had. We'll see.

Of those guys you named i think i like Dinwiddie the most although i don t know how much he could help on the defensive end. Offensively he would be an amazing fit.
DeRozan is a bad fit imho. He is not spacing the floor and is an incredibly bad defender. Same goes for Barton and i think Powell is good but too small.
You know what the contract status of Dinwiddie is?

arkuo · Post #15 » by **arkuo** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:02 pm

mpoo_sin wrote:You know what the contract status of Dinwiddie is?

He opted out of his player option in BKN. He can be had as an unrestricted free agent or via sign and trade if BKN wants something back and not let him walk for nothing.

41Dirk41 · Post #16 » by **41Dirk41** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:49 pm

Giannis is not space the floor too...is he a bad fit?

DDR is the best player in FA, we need talent over all. Try to sign him.
I think he and Luka will be a terrific duo.

I like Powell too but we don't have cap for both.

mpoo_sin · Post #17 » by **mpoo_sin** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:26 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Giannis is not space the floor too...is he a bad fit?

DDR is the best player in FA, we need talent over all. Try to sign him.
I think he and Luka will be a terrific duo.

I like Powell too but we don't have cap for both.

Antetokounmpo makes up for the lack of spacing by his great defense.
I do not think you can compare him with DeRozan.

jpengland · Post #18 » by **jpengland** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:14 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Giannis is not space the floor too...is he a bad fit?

DDR is the best player in FA, we need talent over all. Try to sign him.
I think he and Luka will be a terrific duo.

I like Powell too but we don't have cap for both.

Giannis is a DPOY and an athletic freak that requires a literal wall to stop him..

I'd also play him at the 5 with Luka and 3 other shooters.

41Dirk41 · Post #19 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:56 am

Obviously guys i don't compare DDR and Giannis, but i try to say that "space the floor" is not the only skill we could search in a player...plus with KP and DFS we have enough spacing in the starting 5.
We need a player who can carry the team when Luka is out or when he is double, DDR is able to do... Dinwiddie i don't know.

Mr B · Post #20 » by **Mr B** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:45 am

I like Holmes and would love to add him however I’d be in the phone with Memphis asking what they want for Valanciunas. He’s an expiring contract with $14M due this year. They are wanting to move Jackson to center and might be looking to move Valanciunas. His skill set fits the team and he’s a bigger heavier guy than Holmes. I’d feel more comfortable having Valanciunas to go up against Jokic, Gobert, and Ayton. Valanciunas isn’t going to get pushed around.

Would Maxi be enough to entice the Grizzlies to give up Valanciunas?

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