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Mr B wrote:

Bob8 wrote:

Mr B wrote:For Kleber straight up I agree, he’s not going to fetch a whole lot. But Kleber, a 1st, and a couple seconds can fetch you someone better than Markkanen at the trade deadline. Markkanen (at $17M) by himself won’t fetch you much more than Kleber at the deadline.


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We don't know what would Bulls wanted in addition to Kleber.

Who is better than Markkanen, who wants to come in Dallas, is around 24 years old, meaning he has still a lot of room to improve, and could realistically be traded for Kleber?

Well we do know that they turned down Powell/1st/two 2nds from Dallas for Markkanen. According to that report I posted yesterday anyways. Then on top of that Cleveland paid him almost $17M per. That’s too steep a price for Markkanen.

As for who wants to come to Dallas at the trade deadline? That’s the beauty of a trade. The player doesn’t have to want to come here. He can still be traded to Dallas.


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Sure he can, but to get better player than Markkanen for Kleber, would mean he's forcing out and probably have some ideas, where he wants to go. Very unlikely that you're getting better player than Markkanen, who is still not in his prime, for Kleber.
We have given Seth and Barnes away for nothing, be extremely lucky to get THJ and we still believe that Kleber can bring something more than Markkanen. Really?

Bob8 wrote:

Mr B wrote:

Bob8 wrote:
We don't know what would Bulls wanted in addition to Kleber.

Who is better than Markkanen, who wants to come in Dallas, is around 24 years old, meaning he has still a lot of room to improve, and could realistically be traded for Kleber?

Well we do know that they turned down Powell/1st/two 2nds from Dallas for Markkanen. According to that report I posted yesterday anyways. Then on top of that Cleveland paid him almost $17M per. That’s too steep a price for Markkanen.

As for who wants to come to Dallas at the trade deadline? That’s the beauty of a trade. The player doesn’t have to want to come here. He can still be traded to Dallas.


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Sure he can, but to get better player than Markkanen for Kleber, would mean he's forcing out and probably have some ideas, where he wants to go. Very unlikely that you're getting better player than Markkanen, who is still not in his prime, for Kleber.
We have given Seth and Barnes away for nothing, be extremely lucky to get THJ and we still believe that Kleber can bring something more than Markkanen. Really?

Again, not just Kleber. It would at least Kleber a 1st and two 2nds. You have to factor those in because you would not have those picks if you acquire Markkanen.


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HairyGOATee wrote:Lauri's solid and all, but doesn't move the needle enough, even if the Mavs just got him for nothing.

Mavs won't get a player, who will singlehanded move the needle, they will need to somehow upgrade their team with multiple changes, just waiting for star to come in Dallas won't do.

You're probably right about that. That's why I'm hoping they put the TPE to good use so they can aggregate salaries in a trade.

Mr B wrote:

Bob8 wrote:

Mr B wrote:For Kleber straight up I agree, he’s not going to fetch a whole lot. But Kleber, a 1st, and a couple seconds can fetch you someone better than Markkanen at the trade deadline. Markkanen (at $17M) by himself won’t fetch you much more than Kleber at the deadline.


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We don't know what would Bulls wanted in addition to Kleber.

Who is better than Markkanen, who wants to come in Dallas, is around 24 years old, meaning he has still a lot of room to improve, and could realistically be traded for Kleber?

Well we do know that they turned down Powell/1st/two 2nds from Dallas for Markkanen. According to that report I posted yesterday anyways. Then on top of that Cleveland paid him almost $17M per. That’s too steep a price for Markkanen.

As for who wants to come to Dallas at the trade deadline? That’s the beauty of a trade. The player doesn’t have to want to come here. He can still be traded to Dallas.


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Yeah, that is a steep price. No thanks on that. Just make a trade for Dragic instead, or hope he gets bought out.

Noone traded for Kleber+FRP could move the needle, simply it's not a package for that kind of player (unless a strange lucky situation).

Luka will cover our problems in RS one time again then we will destroy again in PO. Stuck in mediocrity.

41Dirk41 wrote:Noone traded for Kleber+FRP could move the needle, simply it's not a package for that kind of player (unless a strange lucky situation).

Luka will cover our problems in RS one time again then we will destroy again in PO. Stuck in mediocrity.

I was saying better than Markkanen, not necessarily move the needle.


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Mr B wrote:

Bob8 wrote:

Mr B wrote:Well we do know that they turned down Powell/1st/two 2nds from Dallas for Markkanen. According to that report I posted yesterday anyways. Then on top of that Cleveland paid him almost $17M per. That’s too steep a price for Markkanen.

As for who wants to come to Dallas at the trade deadline? That’s the beauty of a trade. The player doesn’t have to want to come here. He can still be traded to Dallas.


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Sure he can, but to get better player than Markkanen for Kleber, would mean he's forcing out and probably have some ideas, where he wants to go. Very unlikely that you're getting better player than Markkanen, who is still not in his prime, for Kleber.
We have given Seth and Barnes away for nothing, be extremely lucky to get THJ and we still believe that Kleber can bring something more than Markkanen. Really?

Again, not just Kleber. It would at least Kleber a 1st and two 2nds. You have to factor those in because you would not have those picks if you acquire Markkanen.


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Kleber is for sure worth more than Powell, so we don't know what Bulls would have wanted in addition.

Mr B wrote:

41Dirk41 wrote:Noone traded for Kleber+FRP could move the needle, simply it's not a package for that kind of player (unless a strange lucky situation).

Luka will cover our problems in RS one time again then we will destroy again in PO. Stuck in mediocrity.

I was saying better than Markkanen, not necessarily move the needle.


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Ok we will see...last year this wait brought JJ "The YouTuber" Redick.
Maybe not the upgrade we wanted

Bob8 wrote:

Mr B wrote:

Bob8 wrote:
Sure he can, but to get better player than Markkanen for Kleber, would mean he's forcing out and probably have some ideas, where he wants to go. Very unlikely that you're getting better player than Markkanen, who is still not in his prime, for Kleber.
We have given Seth and Barnes away for nothing, be extremely lucky to get THJ and we still believe that Kleber can bring something more than Markkanen. Really?

Again, not just Kleber. It would at least Kleber a 1st and two 2nds. You have to factor those in because you would not have those picks if you acquire Markkanen.


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Kleber is for sure worth more than Powell, so we don't know what Bulls would have wanted in addition.

Powell is a subtraction, nobody wants him neither for free.

41Dirk41 wrote:

Bob8 wrote:

Mr B wrote:Again, not just Kleber. It would at least Kleber a 1st and two 2nds. You have to factor those in because you would not have those picks if you acquire Markkanen.


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Kleber is for sure worth more than Powell, so we don't know what Bulls would have wanted in addition.

Powell is a subtraction, nobody wants him neither for free.

You're probably right about that. Powell has more value with the Mavs than just about any other team out there.

daoneandonly wrote:No way Lauri has a piss poor attitude and cant defend anyone, I wouldnt touch him, let alone give up maxi for him

HairyGOATee wrote:nah, trade Powell for Lauri instead.

First 13games

Lauri 22.7-8.8-2.5
Maxi 4.9-4-0.9

It's time to open your eyes guys... Markaneen wanted to be here some years ago. We didn't want him. Good.

This thread nicely shows how you just can't wait and hope for the best. You need to get good and young players, when they're available. You can't have 10 players like Kleber, Bullock, DFS...and hope to win something.

Bob8 wrote:This thread nicely shows how you just can't wait and hope for the best. You need to get good and young players, when they're available. You can't have 10 players like Kleber, Bullock, DFS...and hope to win something.

This is also why it drives me bonkers whenever I see someone want to use 21 year old Josh Green as a throw in trade sweetener.

MrGoat wrote:

Bob8 wrote:This thread nicely shows how you just can't wait and hope for the best. You need to get good and young players, when they're available. You can't have 10 players like Kleber, Bullock, DFS...and hope to win something.

This is also why it drives me bonkers whenever I see someone want to use 21 year old Josh Green as a throw in trade sweetener.

People were doing the same thing with Brunson last year when i kept saying that he's way too valuable to be thrown into some random trades. Now we can see how badly they would need him this season.

Nobody here wanted to dump Brunson.
Trade him? Sure. Resign him? Sure. S&T him? Sure.

And about Josh... I would trade it even now for a better player

Falling in love with our guys is very dangerous... it can happen that you find yourself in strange situations... Like us

Maxi Kleber played at level similar to near Max player Jaren Jackson Jr against the Jazz and the Suns, he outplayed their Max centers, I don't think he's being treated fairly now, THJ shouldn't have been signed, we said back then the the highest the team should've gone is 60/4, he was allegedly offered 88 by the Pelicans and gave the Mavs a discount, at which point Mavs should've wished him good luck, signing him to his actual worth would've more than 20 million $ in cap space and the team could've signed Markannen and Bullock.
I don't like crying over spoiled milk, but if you FO lack of foresight and understanding of cap structure, is glaringly obvious to a casual fan on a message board, you're deep ****.

I would have pulled the trigger but there are a few things to remember:

He wasn't playing any where close to this before getting to Utah and what he's doing there now doesn't mean he would be doing the same in Dallas or anything close.
He would have been paired with KP at the time & I'm sure when those two got cooked on D there would have been a lot of complaining about how soft they are.
I believe the Bulls got a FRP out of the deal and this was a 3 way deal kinda showing the Mavs didnt have what the Bulls wanted.
Not many teams were showing interest in Markkanen showing what the league thought of him.

Good points for sure... But we discussed about trading maxi for Lauri. It is a no brainer. It was a no brainer.

Only issue about Lauri is healthy. If he can stay on the court he is a beast.

P.S.
I bought his signature rookie card last summer, i was sure that he will make a terrific year.
I hope can make some money with him

41Dirk41 wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:No way Lauri has a piss poor attitude and cant defend anyone, I wouldnt touch him, let alone give up maxi for him

HairyGOATee wrote:nah, trade Powell for Lauri instead.

First 13games

Lauri 22.7-8.8-2.5
Maxi 4.9-4-0.9

It's time to open your eyes guys... Markaneen wanted to be here some years ago. We didn't want him. Good.

Problem is we had KP, and a KP Lauri front court cannot work. Maxi is still this team's most versatile defender.

daoneandonly wrote:

41Dirk41 wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:No way Lauri has a piss poor attitude and cant defend anyone, I wouldnt touch him, let alone give up maxi for him

HairyGOATee wrote:nah, trade Powell for Lauri instead.

First 13games

Lauri 22.7-8.8-2.5
Maxi 4.9-4-0.9

It's time to open your eyes guys... Markaneen wanted to be here some years ago. We didn't want him. Good.

Problem is we had KP, and a KP Lauri front court cannot work. Maxi is still this team's most versatile defender.

KP-Maxi front court didn't seem works better

The mantra "take players who fits" failed like some of us said years ago.
We need talent, we can always trade talented players if they doesn't work.
Maxi Kleber has 0 trade value. Nobody wants him.