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Offseason Targets 

Post#1 » by HairyGOATee » Tue May 31, 2022 11:57 am

Who are some offseason targets for the Mavs this summer?

Please be realistic. We're probably not gonna get Steph, LeBron, or Jokic, lol.
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Post#2 » by ejs78 » Tue May 31, 2022 2:03 pm

Realistic:

Bamba
Jones Jr
Josh Jackson
Thad Young
Prince
Jalen Smith
Bruce Brown
Warren
Boucher
Hartenstein

Believe the Mavs have the Taxpayers MLE, BAE, and the TPE. Obviously players will have to be moved if they want to use all this.


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Post#3 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue May 31, 2022 2:43 pm

Jalen Smith would be such a great fit but IMO he demands the Full MLE and that means DAL cant go over the tax apron for a year which isnt really possible IMO.

Hartenstein for the TP MLE + Tony Snell or Josh Jackson for VM is the bargain bin I would look into.
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Post#4 » by ejs78 » Tue May 31, 2022 2:55 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Jalen Smith would be such a great fit but IMO he demands the Full MLE and that means DAL cant go over the tax apron for a year which isnt really possible IMO.

Hartenstein for the TP MLE + Tony Snell or Josh Jackson for VM is the bargain bin I would look into.
Got to see Josh Jackson here in Detroit and I think Casey helped him. My only fear is in the playoffs he would get the Josh Green treatment and be left wide open for 3s he can't make. He is however much better than Green at other aspects on the offensive end. Good size and a league minimum I would do it as well.

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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#5 » by HairyGOATee » Tue May 31, 2022 3:01 pm

Joe Ingles would be an underrated get.
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Post#6 » by Darren » Tue May 31, 2022 3:57 pm

Mo Bamba and/or Hartenstein. I want somebody who can shoot and block. That means a potential starter alongside Luka. I think Bamba is better than Hartenstein, putting aside intangible of course. But anyway, due to the way of playing basketball changing, I think being a big on the floor is tiring. We're better off using multiple bigs instead of merely relying on few. That being said, keep Maxi from being trade unless you manage to get two bigs that can shoot and block.
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Post#7 » by Darren » Tue May 31, 2022 4:01 pm

I think expirings and cash with a first for Bamba could be very closed. Those teams with huge cap space is not that interested in Bamba. Just like Maxi's rookie contract, make a few bonus incentives. It will be fine. While Bamba is not a finished product, I expect Bamba to perform better in front of home crowd. Then, the Mavs could draft something instead. In particular, I am intrigued by Chandler. I believe there'll be athletic freak raw C going undrafted. If it is not a skilled one, I don't want to spend 26th pick on one.
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Post#8 » by Darren » Tue May 31, 2022 4:15 pm

Also, I think Dinwiddle can work on pick-n-roll, long jumpers and more options instead of straight line drive. Getting more crafty and less predictable to the defenders. I hate the fact that Dinwiddle informs the shotblockers every time driving to the paint. This simply doesn't work efficiently against really good teams.

I want Luka to cut down some upper body weight and get some footspeed. So is Maxi. I think being able to move feet is important for playing defense.

As for Bertans and Bullock, I want a Korver, Kennard or Reddick's percentage. No more chucking. Getting smarter in switch.

Green and Ntilikina gets higher corner 3s percentage, making more backdoor cut and simple plays. Learn to read pumpfakes.
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Post#9 » by Archx » Tue May 31, 2022 4:20 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:Joe Ingles would be an underrated get.


Didn't he have a severe injury? Wonder if he has anything left in the tank. Jazz completely tanked when they traded him, i guess he would be awesome for this locker room.
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Post#10 » by ejs78 » Tue May 31, 2022 5:44 pm

Archx wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Joe Ingles would be an underrated get.


Didn't he have a severe injury? Wonder if he has anything left in the tank. Jazz completely tanked when they traded him, i guess he would be awesome for this locker room.
He tore his ACL I believe. At his age I would pass even tho I like him.

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Post#11 » by arkuo » Tue May 31, 2022 5:48 pm

Here's the depressing part. Not one of those realistic targets will move the needle to get past the Warriors or the Clippers.

Realistically you are looking at running it back with essentially the same team, just capped out with Brunson probably earning $25M per. And with a new center in tow.

Just poor cap management by Donnie. Golden State is hard capped but they have Steph, Klay, and Draymond. Dallas will be hard capped but they have Luka, Brunson, Dinwiddie and THJ to show for it. Hard capped and not a single all star outside of Luka.
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Post#12 » by BeiBeau » Tue May 31, 2022 6:20 pm

arkuo wrote:Here's the depressing part. Not one of those realistic targets will move the needle to get past the Warriors or the Clippers.

Realistically you are looking at running it back with essentially the same team, just capped out with Brunson probably earning $25M per. And with a new center in tow.


I agree, this I why I’m not in love with sending expirings and our 1st out for Holmes even if we get a good TPE. I don’t think Holmes is enough to consistently compete with the Clippers/Nuggets/Warriors. I’d rather just get a prospect with the first.

My plan I want to see is Dallas go for Turner but I don’t know what the trade is and failing that. Powell/Green/26/ 2024 2nd for Christian Wood who with Luka would put up at least 20 and 9 with great shooting. And he’s not a great defender but he’s better then Powell and with Powell Dallas still was top 7 defensively. Then with the TMLE go for J. Smith or Hartenstein.

Luka/Dinwiddie
Brunson/Ntilikina
Bullock/THJ
DFS/Kleber/Bertans
Wood/(Hartenstein or J. Smith)

I think that team could compete with a Warriors or Clippers.

I would also add that I love the Gafford idea I just need to know the price.
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Post#13 » by SOUNDCHASER » Tue May 31, 2022 10:44 pm

Id see what it would cost to get whiteside to use him for a few years and then add Bomba or Mitchell Robinosn maybe.

26th for a non center and taklng others in the 2nd is ok provided you secure a 2nd or 2 to do that.

There are definitely some guys in the 2nd I would want to get at center: Kofi Cockburn could be a monster if that vertical I heard about from the combine is real, Orlando Robinson a 7" 3 point threat could be a good prospect. Kamagate probably gets drafted late first or early 2nd. Diop and that other 7'1" center from senegal is another option late in the second or even left undrafted.

2 or 3 of these would insure we get someone usable I think.

If we sign a vet at center then add 2 rookie centers I would be happy enough to get something other than a center at 26. Kleber and the vet can hold the fort to let the rookies develop and a SF/PF type at 26 is fine to beef up our defense and give us a Draymond Green type to use against him.

If the mavs can engineer a S&T for Lavine OMG. That likely does not happen without crippling other moves to get a vet center or keep that 26th pick to use it so I am not sure I would like that deal considering how many games he has missed already in the last few years.
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Post#14 » by Apz » Tue May 31, 2022 11:18 pm

I dont think its impossible to buy a 2nd or 2, but how we get rosterspots? And while not knowing omoruyis injury i would love to have him back and pinson. Getting the 3 bs off the books for some future 2nds is maybe the most important thing this summer. We need hungry players that are costcontrolled.

Have no intrest in robinson. Injury prone, rim rolling, cant shoot, and kinda sucks in defense according to knicks fans and get destroyed vs centers. Can get that for vet min, see chriss, and robinson want to get payed mord thdn knicks can offer. He shouldnt listen to his teammate noel, it can come to tears fast when money dries up
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Post#15 » by Maverick41 » Tue May 31, 2022 11:38 pm

ejs78 wrote:Realistic:

Bamba
Jones Jr
Josh Jackson
Thad Young
Prince
Jalen Smith
Bruce Brown
Warren
Boucher
Hartenstein

Believe the Mavs have the Taxpayers MLE, BAE, and the TPE. Obviously players will have to be moved if they want to use all this.



If we can get Warren cheap, we need to do it. Very injury prone but he's a legit starter and would be a difference maker.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#16 » by agentofatlas » Tue May 31, 2022 11:52 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Jalen Smith would be such a great fit but IMO he demands the Full MLE and that means DAL cant go over the tax apron for a year which isnt really possible IMO.

Hartenstein for the TP MLE + Tony Snell or Josh Jackson for VM is the bargain bin I would look into.


I'm aligned with this plan. Too bad about Jalen Smith. He played well last year and his game blends well with what the Mavs want out of their bigs.
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Post#17 » by ejs78 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:30 am

agentofatlas wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:Jalen Smith would be such a great fit but IMO he demands the Full MLE and that means DAL cant go over the tax apron for a year which isnt really possible IMO.

Hartenstein for the TP MLE + Tony Snell or Josh Jackson for VM is the bargain bin I would look into.


I'm aligned with this plan. Too bad about Jalen Smith. He played well last year and his game blends well with what the Mavs want out of their bigs.
Well the thing with Smith and Turner is how many bigs do the Pacers need:

Smith
Turner
Brissett
Bitadze
Jackson

Brissett and Goga likely the most to go but never know

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Post#18 » by SOUNDCHASER » Wed Jun 1, 2022 3:56 am

Hartenstein, Bamba, and even Whiteside at the 5 works if we draft someone at 26 that is not a center then got to get a few picks to take advantage of the centers that are available in the 2nd. If they see a center available that they feel is better at 26 then yeah I say get him but we need a lot of guys to make sure we get one that can match up because that is pretty much the weakest position to fill. Think of it this way maybe one of those centers can play at the PF as well. Twin towers Dirk and Chandler showed us the way and that is what we had when we won our last championship.

wings are a strength: DFS Bullock THJ that is pretty solid. the 1/2 is as well with Luka Brunson Dinwiddie Ntilikina. Kleber Bertans and maybe we keep Chriss if we can just get rid of Powell I would be happy
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Post#19 » by fuller4379 » Wed Jun 1, 2022 4:02 am

arkuo wrote:Here's the depressing part. Not one of those realistic targets will move the needle to get past the Warriors or the Clippers.

Realistically you are looking at running it back with essentially the same team, just capped out with Brunson probably earning $25M per. And with a new center in tow.

Just poor cap management by Donnie. Golden State is hard capped but they have Steph, Klay, and Draymond. Dallas will be hard capped but they have Luka, Brunson, Dinwiddie and THJ to show for it. Hard capped and not a single all star outside of Luka.


The KP gamble still stings. 2 firsts lost and stuck overpaying Bertans because of it.
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Post#20 » by Darren » Wed Jun 1, 2022 7:15 am

arkuo wrote:Here's the depressing part. Not one of those realistic targets will move the needle to get past the Warriors or the Clippers.

Realistically you are looking at running it back with essentially the same team, just capped out with Brunson probably earning $25M per. And with a new center in tow.

Just poor cap management by Donnie. Golden State is hard capped but they have Steph, Klay, and Draymond. Dallas will be hard capped but they have Luka, Brunson, Dinwiddie and THJ to show for it. Hard capped and not a single all star outside of Luka.


Get the right ingredient. Then, Luka will do the cooking. I think you get a piece that at least make it a series. Let's be real. Most teams ain't even close to GSW roster talent level. It takes a lot of two way contributor willing to take less to join. Not all players are lucky enough to get a champion in first season like TD.

Look at things at more dynamic manner. Players can improve. It's no longer RC era. For example, Dinwiddle not relying heavily on straight line drive and more consistent long jumper can make big difference. Luka and Brunson gets better shape and finding way to guard shooter might give teams more flexibility. Green and Ntilikina could become able shooter. DFS can make plays. Bullock can get more consistent from 3. Maxi can get back the footspeed. What if Bertans learn to shoot perfect and play decent defense. All these could make difference. Adding a piece or two in mix, it makes a difference. So the Mavs better find a way to train up player. There's always veteran coming back from injury and become great player again on min contract like Oladipo or Otto Porter. I think Maxi could be one.

Shooting consistent from 3s and foul line are trainable to say the least.

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