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Post#1 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:49 pm

Assuming Brunson re-signs and Ntilikina is retained

Brunson(30)/Dinwiddie(18)
Bullock(30)/THJ(8)/Dinwiddie(8)
Luka(30)/THJ(18)
DFS(30)/Bertans(18)
Wood(24)/Maxi(24)

Emergency bench: Powell, Green, Ntilikina
The team looks deep enough, I wonder where does the team need help, THJ would fill the missing 25 MPG wing minutes in the PO and Wood will fill the 24 center minutes.
Bertans and Powell can fill in for ~30 games to rest Maxi and have him fresh for the PO.
Green/Ntlikina is insurance for an injury for a wing.
From the looks of it, I'd sign Pinson, Dragic and vet min 7 footer (whiteside?), and call it a day.
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Post#2 » by BeiBeau » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:23 pm

Wood will get 30 minutes at center and Dwight will play 8-10 minutes a night. Kleber will play half his time at the 4 and half his time at the 5. Bertans will get 10 ish minutes in RS.
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Post#3 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:09 pm

BeiBeau wrote:Wood will get 30 minutes at center and Dwight will play 8-10 minutes a night. Kleber will play half his time at the 4 and half his time at the 5. Bertans will get 10 ish minutes in RS.

I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.
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Post#4 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:14 pm

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BeiBeau wrote:Wood will get 30 minutes at center and Dwight will play 8-10 minutes a night. Kleber will play half his time at the 4 and half his time at the 5. Bertans will get 10 ish minutes in RS.

I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.


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Post#5 » by Maverick41 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:45 am

Luka(34)/Dinwiddie(14)
Brunson(32), Dinwiddie(12), THJ(12)
Bullock(28), THJ(14), Green(4)
DFS(32), Maxi(10), Bertans(6)
Wood(30), Maxi(12), Powell(6)

That's how I see the rotation being "if everyone is healthy." THJ, Dinwiddie and Bertans getting more minutes on any given night depending on health, shot-making and matchups.
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Post#6 » by Michaellam1987 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:59 am

It really does not matter for the rotation in regular season. Thing matters in playoff. We should be playing 8 man rotation in playoff as below.

Luka(36)/JB(32)/Bullock(32)/DFS(36)/Wood(32) -> starting lineup
Dinwiddie(24)/THJ(24)/Maxi(24) -> off the bench

Any subsequent trade should only been done if the incoming player can crack into and replace someone in this 8 man rotation.
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Post#7 » by BeiBeau » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:13 am

KhalilS wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:Wood will get 30 minutes at center and Dwight will play 8-10 minutes a night. Kleber will play half his time at the 4 and half his time at the 5. Bertans will get 10 ish minutes in RS.

I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.


I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.
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Post#8 » by BeiBeau » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:17 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:It really does not matter for the rotation in regular season. Thing matters in playoff. We should be playing 8 man rotation in playoff as below.

Luka(36)/JB(32)/Bullock(32)/DFS(36)/Wood(32) -> starting lineup
Dinwiddie(24)/THJ(24)/Maxi(24) -> off the bench

Any subsequent trade should only been done if the incoming player can crack into and replace someone in this 8 man rotation.


This is why I think Harrison wants a defensive wing instead of Hartenstein with the TMLE. If we got Otto Porter or Derrick Jones Jr. That would give us Dinwiddie a 1/2, THJ a 2/3, TMLE a 3/4, Kleber a 4/5.

It’s not my ideal but it’s solid.
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Post#9 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:36 am

BeiBeau wrote:
KhalilS wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:Wood will get 30 minutes at center and Dwight will play 8-10 minutes a night. Kleber will play half his time at the 4 and half his time at the 5. Bertans will get 10 ish minutes in RS.

I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.


I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.


Agree, Bertans is perfect against opponent bench players... He can make 3/4 3s in row and creates huge advantage.
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Post#10 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:59 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:It really does not matter for the rotation in regular season. Thing matters in playoff. We should be playing 8 man rotation in playoff as below.

Luka(36)/JB(32)/Bullock(32)/DFS(36)/Wood(32) -> starting lineup
Dinwiddie(24)/THJ(24)/Maxi(24) -> off the bench

Any subsequent trade should only been done if the incoming player can crack into and replace someone in this 8 man rotation.


Agreed, that'd be my rotation for PO also.
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Post#11 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:04 am

BeiBeau wrote:
KhalilS wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:Wood will get 30 minutes at center and Dwight will play 8-10 minutes a night. Kleber will play half his time at the 4 and half his time at the 5. Bertans will get 10 ish minutes in RS.

I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.


I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.


I really haven't seen a bad player when I watched him, I think he can be pumped and dumped in the right situation, but if Kidd continues to not run plays for him, every time he's on the floor he's stuck with ball at the end of the shot clock and launching bad shot, Mavs are hurting his value.
There is important place for shooters in this league, they space the floor for guards, even teams that want to develop their guards and not compete need them, I think Bertans' value could easily be improved to the level of neutral to be used as a filler in future trade.
His defense is much less important in RS than in PO when matchup hunting goes into overdrive.
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Post#12 » by BeiBeau » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:23 am

KhalilS wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
KhalilS wrote:I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.


I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.


I really haven't seen a bad player when I watched him, I think he can be pumped and dumped in the right situation, but if Kidd continues to not run plays for him, every time he's on the floor he's stuck with ball at the end of the shot clock and launching bad shot, Mavs are hurting his value.
There is important place for shooters in this league, they space the floor for guards, even teams that want to develop their guards and not compete need them, I think Bertans' value could easily be improved to the level of neutral to be used as a filler in future trade.
His defense is much less important in RS than in PO when matchup hunting goes into overdrive.


Yeah that’s my point. Play Bertans 10 minutes but when he’s in run plays for him to get wide open 3s. If at the all star break he’s hitting 40 percent then he might even have positive value to a playoff team.
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Post#13 » by HMFFL » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:33 am

KhalilS wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:Wood will get 30 minutes at center and Dwight will play 8-10 minutes a night. Kleber will play half his time at the 4 and half his time at the 5. Bertans will get 10 ish minutes in RS.

I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.
THJ will get his minutes but Bertans won't. He will play if he hits his three pointers. It's all Bertan can do and he hasn't been good at making them for us.

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Post#14 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:35 am

KhalilS wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
KhalilS wrote:I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.


I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.


I really haven't seen a bad player when I watched him, I think he can be pumped and dumped in the right situation, but if Kidd continues to not run plays for him, every time he's on the floor he's stuck with ball at the end of the shot clock and launching bad shot, Mavs are hurting his value.
There is important place for shooters in this league, they space the floor for guards, even teams that want to develop their guards and not compete need them, I think Bertans' value could easily be improved to the level of neutral to be used as a filler in future trade.
His defense is much less important in RS than in PO when matchup hunting goes into overdrive.


Good player shows value on court automatically, no matter if there are any plays call for him. You can score, perimeter/post defense, rebound, shooting, assist, ball screening, ball handling, making offensive charge, steal, block......there are just too many things you can do during the game. However, Bertans can just shoot and nothing else. I agree we may set some plays for him to get some 3 pts shooting, but once it doesn't fall in, then you have to take him out, because he is killing us on all other areas. We cannot try to play him more, and hoping to rebuild his trade value, in return for the risk of losing the game and our position in the extremely competitive western conference. Of course, we can play him more in those rubbish time, or those games with bad teams, but come on, other teams are not that foolish to be misled. In short, bad player is bad player, you cannot fix it by any means. Bad player under huge contract is a disaster that you can either add further positive assets to unload it or just holding it until it expired.
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Post#15 » by Michaellam1987 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:38 am

41Dirk41 wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
KhalilS wrote:I hope not, Mavs need to showcase both THJ and Bertans in hope for them to restore their value, benching them is bad asset management.
Kleber needs to be kept healthy and on low stress.


I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.


Agree, Bertans is perfect against opponent bench players... He can make 3/4 3s in row and creates huge advantage.


He might make 3/4 3s in a row, but he definitely gets killed by opponents. That is the main problem.
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Post#16 » by BeiBeau » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:54 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.


I really haven't seen a bad player when I watched him, I think he can be pumped and dumped in the right situation, but if Kidd continues to not run plays for him, every time he's on the floor he's stuck with ball at the end of the shot clock and launching bad shot, Mavs are hurting his value.
There is important place for shooters in this league, they space the floor for guards, even teams that want to develop their guards and not compete need them, I think Bertans' value could easily be improved to the level of neutral to be used as a filler in future trade.
His defense is much less important in RS than in PO when matchup hunting goes into overdrive.


Good player shows value on court automatically, no matter if there are any plays call for him. You can score, perimeter/post defense, rebound, shooting, assist, ball screening, ball handling, making offensive charge, steal, block......there are just too many things you can do during the game. However, Bertans can just shoot and nothing else. I agree we may set some plays for him to get some 3 pts shooting, but once it doesn't fall in, then you have to take him out, because he is killing us on all other areas. We cannot try to play him more, and hoping to rebuild his trade value, in return for the risk of losing the game and our position in the extremely competitive western conference. Of course, we can play him more in those rubbish time, or those games with bad teams, but come on, other teams are not that foolish to be misled. In short, bad player is bad player, you cannot fix it by any means. Bad player under huge contract is a disaster that you can either add further positive assets to unload it or just holding it until it expired.


Agreed half the people on this forum have the attitude of "RS doesnt matter" in a since I understand why. But they're dead wrong, it's important that we avoid back-to-back-to-back series against the Nuggests, Grizzlies, Clippers, Warriors. Playing Bertans bull minutes to hope and increase his trade value is stupid the second it starts to cost us games.
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Post#17 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:54 am

Michaellam1987 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:
I think Bertan’s value solely depends on his 3pt percentage. Letting him take bad shots is the worst thing we could do and I think more minutes will mean more a lower shot quality, it also gives more minutes of his bad defense.

10 minutes in the 2nd and 3 quarter where the offense is set up to attack his man and get him great offball screens will up his trade value the most if he can hit 40% like he’s capable of.


Agree, Bertans is perfect against opponent bench players... He can make 3/4 3s in row and creates huge advantage.


He might make 3/4 3s in a row, but he definitely gets killed by opponents. That is the main problem.


Not so true... He is not a worse defender than Luka or Brunson, obviously we can't hide all those 3 or even 2 of them.

Kidd will find a solution and a good lineup for make Bertans efficient(at least in RS) because he is one the best shooters in the league.
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Post#18 » by BeiBeau » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:58 am

41Dirk41 wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Agree, Bertans is perfect against opponent bench players... He can make 3/4 3s in row and creates huge advantage.


He might make 3/4 3s in a row, but he definitely gets killed by opponents. That is the main problem.


Not so true... He is not a worse defender than Luka or Brunson,


WHAT???? Dude you're not watching the games then. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Davis tries and I appreciate that but he is a large step below even Luka.
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Post#19 » by styLesdavis » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:00 am

41Dirk41 wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Agree, Bertans is perfect against opponent bench players... He can make 3/4 3s in row and creates huge advantage.


He might make 3/4 3s in a row, but he definitely gets killed by opponents. That is the main problem.


Not so true... He is not a worse defender than Luka or Brunson, obviously we can't hide all those 3 or even 2 of them.

Kidd will find a solution and a good lineup for make Bertans efficient(at least in RS) because he is one the best shooters in the league.


Bertans is a way worse defender than Luka or Brunson.
Davis is instant offense on both ends.
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Post#20 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:01 am

BeiBeau wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:
I really haven't seen a bad player when I watched him, I think he can be pumped and dumped in the right situation, but if Kidd continues to not run plays for him, every time he's on the floor he's stuck with ball at the end of the shot clock and launching bad shot, Mavs are hurting his value.
There is important place for shooters in this league, they space the floor for guards, even teams that want to develop their guards and not compete need them, I think Bertans' value could easily be improved to the level of neutral to be used as a filler in future trade.
His defense is much less important in RS than in PO when matchup hunting goes into overdrive.


Good player shows value on court automatically, no matter if there are any plays call for him. You can score, perimeter/post defense, rebound, shooting, assist, ball screening, ball handling, making offensive charge, steal, block......there are just too many things you can do during the game. However, Bertans can just shoot and nothing else. I agree we may set some plays for him to get some 3 pts shooting, but once it doesn't fall in, then you have to take him out, because he is killing us on all other areas. We cannot try to play him more, and hoping to rebuild his trade value, in return for the risk of losing the game and our position in the extremely competitive western conference. Of course, we can play him more in those rubbish time, or those games with bad teams, but come on, other teams are not that foolish to be misled. In short, bad player is bad player, you cannot fix it by any means. Bad player under huge contract is a disaster that you can either add further positive assets to unload it or just holding it until it expired.


Agreed half the people on this forum have the attitude of "RS doesnt matter" in a since I understand why. But they're dead wrong, it's important that we avoid back-to-back-to-back series against the Nuggests, Grizzlies, Clippers, Warriors. Playing Bertans bull minutes to hope and increase his trade value is stupid the second it starts to cost us games.


If you think playing Bertans 10/15min in RS will change our seed you are dead wrong my friend :lol:

You love so much RS stats, so Bertans had one the Mavs best +/- last season :wink:

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