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Improvements for Next Year 

Post#1 » by blueberrysticky » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:37 am

1) Hardy and Lively's growth resulting in them being able ball handlers. The biggest issue in these Finals is the second the ball isn't in Luka or Kyrie's hand you are getting a bad shot or a turnover. Everytime THJ or PJ wash or whomever initiates it's a dead possesion.

2)More luka off-ball in the post. He doesn't need to both carry the ball up the court AND then create his paint shot. Have Hardy carry up the ball more.

3) As a result of 1 and 2...increased pace. The mavs with luka and kyrie let boston set up defensively and then went "yeah lets take the toughest shots". It works with every other team but not a great team like boston. I want them to get into their motions earlier in the shot clock when it makes sense. I get it ...the top scoring backcourt but why not make the game easier.

4) Luka's conditioning. If he wants to win the Finals he has to realize they are in June. He won't make it the full season and playoffs healthy and not-gassed if he isn't in better shape. He has to take it seriously now. He's going to enter his late 20s now and time to stop eating like a kid.

5) A result of 4 should be more energy to be attentive to defense. The mavs comeback wasn't from scoring it was from stopping Boston. That's what gave the team energy.

6) THJ needs to be moved off from.
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Post#2 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:39 am

Mavs need another scorer, either off the bench or a symbolic starter who primarily staggers with Lukai...
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Post#3 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:40 am

I'd add Omax Prosper to that list. Ideally he's groomed to be off the bench if his development is on track. Ideal Maxi Kleber replacement.
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Post#4 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:41 am

Mavrelous wrote:Mavs need another scorer, either off the bench or a symbolic starter who primarily staggers with Lukai...


If Portland is willing to part with Jerami Grant and that huge contract of his, THJ has an expiring deal that clears Grant off their books in one move.

Grant is capable of scoring on his own and spotting up for 3s. Good height and very mobile at 6'9.
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Post#5 » by blueberrysticky » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:42 am

arkuo wrote:I'd add Omax Prosper to that list. Ideally he's groomed to be off the bench if his development is on track. Ideal Maxi Kleber replacement.


Yes omax is someone who I am looking forward to
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Post#6 » by Astaluego » Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:28 am

Point 4 is very important, his appearance is terrible...he doesn't look even close to an athlete. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you must be a professional... I hope this defeat in the finals hurts enough and is a turning point, moving away from the national team this summer would be a good start.
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Post#7 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:46 am

Astaluego wrote:Point 4 is very important, his appearance is terrible...he doesn't look even close to an athlete. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you must be a professional... I hope this defeat in the finals hurts enough and is a turning point, moving away from the national team this summer would be a good start.


I like your idea now for Lavine
THJ/Powell/TOR 2nd to TOR
Maxi/Green to CHI
Lavine to DAL

Luka, Kyrie and Lavine get 30-35 minutes each in RS and each plays 60-70 games...
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Post#8 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:04 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Astaluego wrote:Point 4 is very important, his appearance is terrible...he doesn't look even close to an athlete. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you must be a professional... I hope this defeat in the finals hurts enough and is a turning point, moving away from the national team this summer would be a good start.


I like your idea now for Lavine
THJ/Powell/TOR 2nd to TOR
Maxi/Green to CHI
Lavine to DAL

Luka, Kyrie and Lavine get 30-35 minutes each in RS and each plays 60-70 games...


The problem with Dallas is not scoring related. Jrue Holiday had a career game in game 2. Brown and Tatum had 30 a piece in game 3. It's on the defensive side of things. They can't stop anybody. Lavine won't solve their defensive woes but can score 20 to 30 himself. It doesn't address the main problem though.

I remembered the tipping point when Dirk had Tyson and Marion to cover for his weakness. That took Dallas to another level. Im afraid Luka needs that type of being "hidden" on defense. DJJ + Thybulle + Washington would have addressed that IMO. But Thybulle wasnt meant to be and expecting DJJ to step up for the finals was too tall an order to ask for a guy earning the minimum.
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Post#9 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:12 pm

arkuo wrote:The problem with Dallas is not scoring related. Jrue Holiday had a career game in game 2. Brown and Tatum had 30 a piece in game 3. It's on the defensive side of things. They can't stop anybody. Lavine won't solve their defensive woes but can score 20 to 30 himself. It doesn't address the main problem though.

I remembered the tipping point when Dirk had Tyson and Marion to cover for his weakness. That took Dallas to another level. Im afraid Luka needs that type of being "hidden" on defense. DJJ + Thybulle + Washington would have addressed that IMO. But Thybulle wasnt meant to be and expecting DJJ to step up for the finals was too tall an order to ask for a guy earning the minimum.

The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...
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Post#10 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:17 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:The problem with Dallas is not scoring related. Jrue Holiday had a career game in game 2. Brown and Tatum had 30 a piece in game 3. It's on the defensive side of things. They can't stop anybody. Lavine won't solve their defensive woes but can score 20 to 30 himself. It doesn't address the main problem though.

I remembered the tipping point when Dirk had Tyson and Marion to cover for his weakness. That took Dallas to another level. Im afraid Luka needs that type of being "hidden" on defense. DJJ + Thybulle + Washington would have addressed that IMO. But Thybulle wasnt meant to be and expecting DJJ to step up for the finals was too tall an order to ask for a guy earning the minimum.

The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...


Agree.

The defense was decent at the end of the day.

We can't score or create outside Luka&Kyrie but i don't want Lavine for sure.

We need an upgrade over DJJ, he played over his mind this season but he is still a role player and Boston leaved him wide open all series.
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Post#11 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:19 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:The problem with Dallas is not scoring related. Jrue Holiday had a career game in game 2. Brown and Tatum had 30 a piece in game 3. It's on the defensive side of things. They can't stop anybody. Lavine won't solve their defensive woes but can score 20 to 30 himself. It doesn't address the main problem though.

I remembered the tipping point when Dirk had Tyson and Marion to cover for his weakness. That took Dallas to another level. Im afraid Luka needs that type of being "hidden" on defense. DJJ + Thybulle + Washington would have addressed that IMO. But Thybulle wasnt meant to be and expecting DJJ to step up for the finals was too tall an order to ask for a guy earning the minimum.

The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...


But the Celtics have too much firepower. You cant match them point for point for 45 mins and just hope they start missing the last 3 mins of the game right?

The thing with adding more players that just score means they get converted to spot up shooters when Luka starts to set the table his way. We cant change and hope that Luka turns into a different type of player. He is who he is at this point. So our best bet IMO is to fill those gaps with more 3&D guys. Another one of those Herb Jones, Jaden Mcdaniels or Jonathan Isaac types would be great.
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Post#12 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:22 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:The problem with Dallas is not scoring related. Jrue Holiday had a career game in game 2. Brown and Tatum had 30 a piece in game 3. It's on the defensive side of things. They can't stop anybody. Lavine won't solve their defensive woes but can score 20 to 30 himself. It doesn't address the main problem though.

I remembered the tipping point when Dirk had Tyson and Marion to cover for his weakness. That took Dallas to another level. Im afraid Luka needs that type of being "hidden" on defense. DJJ + Thybulle + Washington would have addressed that IMO. But Thybulle wasnt meant to be and expecting DJJ to step up for the finals was too tall an order to ask for a guy earning the minimum.

The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...


Agree.

The defense was decent at the end of the day.

We can't score or create outside Luka&Kyrie but i don't want Lavine for sure.

We need an upgrade over DJJ, he played over his mind this season but he is still a role player and Boston leaved him wide open all series.


Unfortunately team was not built for shot creation outside of Luka or Kyrie. Those guys around them, they're the "stand in the corner" type of guys. They won't suddenly know how to create for themselves for an extended period of time. The team was built on Luka being able to "feed" the guys around him then it's your turn my turn basketball with Kyrie in between.

It goes back to what type of player Luka is. Luka dominates the ball the most I think in the NBA. He holds on to that ball for a really long time before passing it out. So we just build around that type of game.
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Post#13 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:29 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:The problem with Dallas is not scoring related. Jrue Holiday had a career game in game 2. Brown and Tatum had 30 a piece in game 3. It's on the defensive side of things. They can't stop anybody. Lavine won't solve their defensive woes but can score 20 to 30 himself. It doesn't address the main problem though.

I remembered the tipping point when Dirk had Tyson and Marion to cover for his weakness. That took Dallas to another level. Im afraid Luka needs that type of being "hidden" on defense. DJJ + Thybulle + Washington would have addressed that IMO. But Thybulle wasnt meant to be and expecting DJJ to step up for the finals was too tall an order to ask for a guy earning the minimum.

The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...


So I was reading stuff and it occurred to me that Malik Monk is a free agent this summer. Instead of Lavine who you really need to make a starting spot for, then maybe Monk off the bench would work better?

Monk with those 27 god damn THJ minutes would have at least produced one point.
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Post#14 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:34 pm

arkuo wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:The problem with Dallas is not scoring related. Jrue Holiday had a career game in game 2. Brown and Tatum had 30 a piece in game 3. It's on the defensive side of things. They can't stop anybody. Lavine won't solve their defensive woes but can score 20 to 30 himself. It doesn't address the main problem though.

I remembered the tipping point when Dirk had Tyson and Marion to cover for his weakness. That took Dallas to another level. Im afraid Luka needs that type of being "hidden" on defense. DJJ + Thybulle + Washington would have addressed that IMO. But Thybulle wasnt meant to be and expecting DJJ to step up for the finals was too tall an order to ask for a guy earning the minimum.

The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...


So I was reading stuff and it occurred to me that Malik Monk is a free agent this summer. Instead of Lavine who you really need to make a starting spot for, then maybe Monk off the bench would work better?

Monk with those 27 god damn THJ minutes would have at least produced one point.

The guy I want is Sexton, but I don't think he's available.
Lavine is 25/yr guy being paid 40+ and he doesn't want to be in Chicago, Mavs can send all the fluff (THJ, Green, Kleber, Powell), and picks for him, sign DJJ and complete the roster with vet mins.

Gafford/Lively
PJ/OMax
Luka/DJJ
Lavine/Exum/AJ
Kyrie/Hardy

Then complete the roster with minimum guys...
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Post#15 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:41 pm

arkuo wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...


Agree.

The defense was decent at the end of the day.

We can't score or create outside Luka&Kyrie but i don't want Lavine for sure.

We need an upgrade over DJJ, he played over his mind this season but he is still a role player and Boston leaved him wide open all series.


Unfortunately team was not built for shot creation outside of Luka or Kyrie. Those guys around them, they're the "stand in the corner" type of guys. They won't suddenly know how to create for themselves for an extended period of time. The team was built on Luka being able to "feed" the guys around him then it's your turn my turn basketball with Kyrie in between.

It goes back to what type of player Luka is. Luka dominates the ball the most I think in the NBA. He holds on to that ball for a really long time before passing it out. So we just build around that type of game.


You know that i'm not agree with that :lol:

I think our coach can't create nothing, he is a coach player and let Luka&Kyrie set every offensive schemes.

Our players are freezed on offensive, no moves, no backdoor, no cut, no screen for shooters. Nothing.
Just basic p&r o step back 3s until the end.

PJ can create.
Hardy can create.
Exum can penetrate at least.
THJ (once Upon a time :lol: ) can score.
Gafford and Lively can score if Tatum or White guard them.

We didn't even explorate those options, we have Luka and Kyrie so ball to them and pray.
Wow what a brillant mind.
Resign that guy, he is a genius :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#16 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:43 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:The finals weer failure in scoring, you can't really hold the Celtics to lower than this...


So I was reading stuff and it occurred to me that Malik Monk is a free agent this summer. Instead of Lavine who you really need to make a starting spot for, then maybe Monk off the bench would work better?

Monk with those 27 god damn THJ minutes would have at least produced one point.

The guy I want is Sexton, but I don't think he's available.
Lavine is 25/yr guy being paid 40+ and he doesn't want to be in Chicago, Mavs can send all the fluff (THJ, Green, Kleber, Powell), and picks for him, sign DJJ and complete the roster with vet mins.

Gafford/Lively
PJ/OMax
Luka/DJJ
Lavine/Exum/AJ
Kyrie/Hardy

Then complete the roster with minimum guys...


Lavine will be 30 next year and he has a long history of injuries. No thanks.
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Post#17 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:46 pm

Instead of Lavine, maybe Charlotte is willing to part with Miles Bridges for cheap. He's got size and can play SF. Reclamation project like a PJ Washington.
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Post#18 » by arkuo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:50 pm

There will be some options for Nico. That's for sure. You can even throw Klay Thompson's name in there. We all know Nico isnt gun shy to make trades even if he has to do a string of those to get what he wants. So we'll see.
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Post#19 » by GermanFan120 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:20 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Astaluego wrote:Point 4 is very important, his appearance is terrible...he doesn't look even close to an athlete. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you must be a professional... I hope this defeat in the finals hurts enough and is a turning point, moving away from the national team this summer would be a good start.


I like your idea now for Lavine
THJ/Powell/TOR 2nd to TOR
Maxi/Green to CHI
Lavine to DAL

Luka, Kyrie and Lavine get 30-35 minutes each in RS and each plays 60-70 games...



Getting someone that expensive is very dangerous. Plus Lavine is not a winner.

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Post#20 » by GermanFan120 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:20 pm

arkuo wrote:Instead of Lavine, maybe Charlotte is willing to part with Miles Bridges for cheap. He's got size and can play SF. Reclamation project like a PJ Washington.



I like him, let's rob the Bobcats again!
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