Mavs Pre-season Thread -- Game 4 Vs Bucks October 17th

[Mavrelous]

Pre season is upon us, Grizzlies are coming to town, Luka and Exum are out, Maxi was also injured, he'll probably also miss it.
Game is at 8:30 PM Dallas time.

[Mavrelous]

Luka, Kai, Klay, PJ, Maxi, Dante are all out, even Brandom Williams and Kessler Edwards are out.

[41Dirk41]

Good title year to everybody.

[Apz]

Could be a nasty game if memphis brings everyone

[Mavrelous]

Looks like it was fun

Watch on YouTube

If I'm Brandon Williams, I'd be worried about my 2-way spot.

[Teffer10]

Was hoping to see what Edwards could bring.
Who is this Gortman guy?
19 pts...wow.

[Bob8]

Hardy is still exactly the same, a chucker, who needs the ball desperately. Wrong fit with Luka and Kyrie. I hope he goes in some kind of package for Pf.

Naji looks good but he tried too much, that will change with all players playing.

Grimes needs Luka to be effective, difficult to say anything before he plays with normal Pg.

Dinwiddie looked pretty bad.

Lively looked great.

[41Dirk41]

Lively is a beast, bad match up for Gaff.

I want to wait Luka and Kyrie for judge Naji and Q-Grimes.

Hardy is still Hardy.

Yes SD looked awful just last year, i hope Luka effect can do something magic with him.

[Darren]

Zach Eddey is impressive.

[Bob8]

Zach Eddey is impressive.

Maybe for playing horror movie? If Gobert has problems in playoffs, just imagine what will happen to Eddey. Lively and many other Cs will have much better career.

[Darren]

Hardy is still exactly the same, a chucker, who needs the ball desperately. Wrong fit with Luka and Kyrie. I hope he goes in some kind of package for Pf.

Naji looks good but he tried too much, that will change with all players playing.

Grimes needs Luka to be effective, difficult to say anything before he plays with normal Pg.

Dinwiddie looked pretty bad.

Lively looked great.

Hardy still can't guard any jumpshooter but can shoot like Hardaway. I am with you as well. I am not sure Hardy is sure-fire rotation player but should have trade values by deadline. Defense is for some reasons pretty bad.

This is great to see the growth of Lively. I want to see more before coming up with anything. Lively matches up with backups mostly. What can Lively do differently without Luka and Kyrie? This is the question I have to be exact.

Both Marshall and Grimes do not meet the expectation as defensive ace. Is it going to be growing concern? Both are significantly weaker defender comparing with Green and DJ. Marshall does show some playmaking skills, though. Grimes does need more athletical training. Quick feet is needed to be ineffective. Grimes look like Shawn Kemp in guard frame.

Who's that 00 in Mavs uniform? Impressive, at least offensively.

Sharp looks raw but has tons of potential. Understanding the roles better, Sharp could be a pretty solid player. Actually, Powell is solid as well.

[BliscoSantos]

Hardy is still exactly the same, a chucker, who needs the ball desperately. Wrong fit with Luka and Kyrie. I hope he goes in some kind of package for Pf.

Naji looks good but he tried too much, that will change with all players playing.

Grimes needs Luka to be effective, difficult to say anything before he plays with normal Pg.

Dinwiddie looked pretty bad.

Lively looked great.

Hardy still can't guard any jumpshooter but can shoot like Hardaway. I am with you as well. I am not sure Hardy is sure-fire rotation player but should have trade values by deadline. Defense is for some reasons pretty bad.

This is great to see the growth of Lively. I want to see more before coming up with anything. Lively matches up with backups mostly. What can Lively do differently without Luka and Kyrie? This is the question I have to be exact.

Both Marshall and Grimes do not meet the expectation as defensive ace. Is it going to be growing concern? Both are significantly weaker defender comparing with Green and DJ. Marshall does show some playmaking skills, though. Grimes does need more athletical training. Quick feet is needed to be ineffective. Grimes look like Shawn Kemp in guard frame.

Who's that 00 in Mavs uniform? Impressive, at least offensively.

Sharp looks raw but has tons of potential. Understanding the roles better, Sharp could be a pretty solid player. Actually, Powell is solid as well.

Hardy played OK... he's a good shooter,not that good at penetrating,iniciating O...they need to stop trying to make him a PG and let him Play off ball as a SG

Lively was amazing...kid's got lots of potencial....he can be leader on the D

Naji and Grimes looked good...and they are Both better defenders than Green... Green is being vastly overrated here...he could only guard smaller Players,not wings

[Archx]

Both Marshall and Grimes do not meet the expectation as defensive ace. Is it going to be growing concern?

What kind of wild expectations did you have after watching them for couple of minutes in a 1 preseason game??

Both are significantly weaker defender comparing with Green and DJ.

Lmao, no... Naji and Grimes can already do many things DJJ and Green could never do and that's putting the ball on the floor and create something.

Also, send Dinwiddie to the Shadow Realm and sign Gortman. This kid is showing great potential.

[Bob8]

Hardy is still exactly the same, a chucker, who needs the ball desperately. Wrong fit with Luka and Kyrie. I hope he goes in some kind of package for Pf.

Naji looks good but he tried too much, that will change with all players playing.

Grimes needs Luka to be effective, difficult to say anything before he plays with normal Pg.

Dinwiddie looked pretty bad.

Lively looked great.

Hardy still can't guard any jumpshooter but can shoot like Hardaway. I am with you as well. I am not sure Hardy is sure-fire rotation player but should have trade values by deadline. Defense is for some reasons pretty bad.

This is great to see the growth of Lively. I want to see more before coming up with anything. Lively matches up with backups mostly. What can Lively do differently without Luka and Kyrie? This is the question I have to be exact.

Both Marshall and Grimes do not meet the expectation as defensive ace. Is it going to be growing concern? Both are significantly weaker defender comparing with Green and DJ. Marshall does show some playmaking skills, though. Grimes does need more athletical training. Quick feet is needed to be ineffective. Grimes look like Shawn Kemp in guard frame.

Who's that 00 in Mavs uniform? Impressive, at least offensively.

Sharp looks raw but has tons of potential. Understanding the roles better, Sharp could be a pretty solid player. Actually, Powell is solid as well.

Hardy played OK... he's a good shooter,not that good at penetrating,iniciating O...they need to stop trying to make him a PG and let him Play off ball as a SG

Lively was amazing...kid's got lots of potencial....he can be leader on the D

Naji and Grimes looked good...and they are Both better defenders than Green... Green is being vastly overrated here...he could only guard smaller Players,not wings

Problem is that Hardy needs ball in his hands and that he isn't good defender, not exactly good fit for Luka and Kyrie. And having Klay now, D from others will be even more important.

[BliscoSantos]

Hardy still can't guard any jumpshooter but can shoot like Hardaway. I am with you as well. I am not sure Hardy is sure-fire rotation player but should have trade values by deadline. Defense is for some reasons pretty bad.

This is great to see the growth of Lively. I want to see more before coming up with anything. Lively matches up with backups mostly. What can Lively do differently without Luka and Kyrie? This is the question I have to be exact.

Both Marshall and Grimes do not meet the expectation as defensive ace. Is it going to be growing concern? Both are significantly weaker defender comparing with Green and DJ. Marshall does show some playmaking skills, though. Grimes does need more athletical training. Quick feet is needed to be ineffective. Grimes look like Shawn Kemp in guard frame.

Who's that 00 in Mavs uniform? Impressive, at least offensively.

Sharp looks raw but has tons of potential. Understanding the roles better, Sharp could be a pretty solid player. Actually, Powell is solid as well.

Hardy played OK... he's a good shooter,not that good at penetrating,iniciating O...they need to stop trying to make him a PG and let him Play off ball as a SG

Lively was amazing...kid's got lots of potencial....he can be leader on the D

Naji and Grimes looked good...and they are Both better defenders than Green... Green is being vastly overrated here...he could only guard smaller Players,not wings

Problem is that Hardy needs ball in his hands and that he isn't good defender, not exactly good fit for Luka and Kyrie. And having Klay now, D from others will be even more important.

He doesn't need the ball....his off ball movement ,shooting is good enough...besides, he's gonna be playing against other bench Players,not starters...and he's gonna be in a lineups with at least three good defenders(C,PF,SF)...but offcourse he's gonna have to hold his own on D,Just like Luka...everybody Will have to at least try playing on that end

Hardy probably signs a New contract and then he'll be packaged with an expiring Maxi and maybe something else for an upgrade the team will need

[Bob8]

Hardy played OK... he's a good shooter,not that good at penetrating,iniciating O...they need to stop trying to make him a PG and let him Play off ball as a SG

Lively was amazing...kid's got lots of potencial....he can be leader on the D

Naji and Grimes looked good...and they are Both better defenders than Green... Green is being vastly overrated here...he could only guard smaller Players,not wings

Problem is that Hardy needs ball in his hands and that he isn't good defender, not exactly good fit for Luka and Kyrie. And having Klay now, D from others will be even more important.

He doesn't need the ball....his off ball movement ,shooting is good enough...besides, he's gonna be playing against other bench Players,not starters...and he's gonna be in a lineups with at least three good defenders(C,PF,SF)...but offcourse he's gonna have to hold his own on D,Just like Luka...everybody Will have to at least try playing on that end

Hardy probably signs a New contract and then he'll be packaged with an expiring Maxi and maybe something else for an upgrade the team will need

What you're describing it's more or less Klay's role. Playing off ball with at least one of Luka/Kyrie, providing shooting and spacing. Kidd will most of the time have 2 of big 3 on the court. When you have all 3, Hardy has no place in the lineup. When you have 2/3, Hardy is not exactly good fit, because his D is not good enough. That's why they try to make ball handler from him, because the only realistic minutes are those that Exum and Dinwiddie will get.

You must not forget that Luka/Kyrie/Klay will be taking majority of shots, others will be more are less specialists, playing good D. Off ball Hardy doesn't look like player getting important minutes, unless he becomes Steph overnight.

[BliscoSantos]

Problem is that Hardy needs ball in his hands and that he isn't good defender, not exactly good fit for Luka and Kyrie. And having Klay now, D from others will be even more important.

He doesn't need the ball....his off ball movement ,shooting is good enough...besides, he's gonna be playing against other bench Players,not starters...and he's gonna be in a lineups with at least three good defenders(C,PF,SF)...but offcourse he's gonna have to hold his own on D,Just like Luka...everybody Will have to at least try playing on that end

Hardy probably signs a New contract and then he'll be packaged with an expiring Maxi and maybe something else for an upgrade the team will need

What you're describing it's more or less Klay's role. Playing off ball with at least one of Luka/Kyrie, providing shooting and spacing. Kidd will most of the time have 2 of big 3 on the court. When you have all 3, Hardy has no place in the lineup. When you have 2/3, Hardy is not exactly good fit, because his D is not good enough. That's why they try to make ball handler from him, because the only realistic minutes are those that Exum and Dinwiddie will get.

You must not forget that Luka/Kyrie/Klay will be taking majority of shots, others will be more are less specialists, playing good D. Off ball Hardy doesn't look like player getting important minutes, unless he becomes Steph overnight.

The goal gor this season should be less regular season minutes for Luka and Kai ,so that they get more rested in the postseason...the team is deep enough...I'm sure Kidd is gonna rotate a lot...and by playing fewer minutes it should allow Luka to try more on D,not Just in spurts....nobody is asking him to be all-nba D, he's Just gotta be solid(he's capable of that...he Just takes breaks on that end)...Kidd has already called out Luka, he's gonna have to be more consistent on D and I'm sure Lively and others Will try to persuade him to Focus on that side too
With Exum out rotation Look probably something like this:

PG: Luka/ Dinwiddie
SG: Kyrie/Hardy
SF: Klay/Grimes
PF: PJ/Naji
C: Lively/Gafford

Depending on matchups Maxi is gonna Play PF against bigger teams and Naji SF...in those games there could be fewer minutes for Hardy...Omax will probably get a chance against weaker teams and when Players will be out

[Bob8]

He doesn't need the ball....his off ball movement ,shooting is good enough...besides, he's gonna be playing against other bench Players,not starters...and he's gonna be in a lineups with at least three good defenders(C,PF,SF)...but offcourse he's gonna have to hold his own on D,Just like Luka...everybody Will have to at least try playing on that end

Hardy probably signs a New contract and then he'll be packaged with an expiring Maxi and maybe something else for an upgrade the team will need

What you're describing it's more or less Klay's role. Playing off ball with at least one of Luka/Kyrie, providing shooting and spacing. Kidd will most of the time have 2 of big 3 on the court. When you have all 3, Hardy has no place in the lineup. When you have 2/3, Hardy is not exactly good fit, because his D is not good enough. That's why they try to make ball handler from him, because the only realistic minutes are those that Exum and Dinwiddie will get.

You must not forget that Luka/Kyrie/Klay will be taking majority of shots, others will be more are less specialists, playing good D. Off ball Hardy doesn't look like player getting important minutes, unless he becomes Steph overnight.

The goal gor this season should be less regular season minutes for Luka and Kai ,so that they get more rested in the postseason...the team is deep enough...I'm sure Kidd is gonna rotate a lot...and by playing fewer minutes it should allow Luka to try more on D,not Just in spurts....nobody is asking him to be all-nba D, he's Just gotta be solid(he's capable of that...he Just takes breaks on that end)...Kidd has already called out Luka, he's gonna have to be more consistent on D and I'm sure Lively and others Will try to persuade him to Focus on that side too
With Exum out rotation Look probably something like this:

PG: Luka/ Dinwiddie
SG: Kyrie/Hardy
SF: Klay/Grimes
PF: PJ/Naji
C: Lively/Gafford

Depending on matchups Maxi is gonna Play PF against bigger teams and Naji SF...in those games there could be fewer minutes for Hardy...Omax will probably get a chance against weaker teams and when Players will be out

Maxi never averaged less than 20 minutes so you can surely put Naji on SF for a lot of time and consequently Grimes on 2. And I hope very much that Exum is not out for the season. Luka might get away with not playing 100% in D, Hardy can't and with Klay his scoring will be even less needed.

Playing behind 2 superstars and not be specialist for anything would always be difficult for anyone, Mavs simply don't need player like that.

[BliscoSantos]

What you're describing it's more or less Klay's role. Playing off ball with at least one of Luka/Kyrie, providing shooting and spacing. Kidd will most of the time have 2 of big 3 on the court. When you have all 3, Hardy has no place in the lineup. When you have 2/3, Hardy is not exactly good fit, because his D is not good enough. That's why they try to make ball handler from him, because the only realistic minutes are those that Exum and Dinwiddie will get.

You must not forget that Luka/Kyrie/Klay will be taking majority of shots, others will be more are less specialists, playing good D. Off ball Hardy doesn't look like player getting important minutes, unless he becomes Steph overnight.

The goal gor this season should be less regular season minutes for Luka and Kai ,so that they get more rested in the postseason...the team is deep enough...I'm sure Kidd is gonna rotate a lot...and by playing fewer minutes it should allow Luka to try more on D,not Just in spurts....nobody is asking him to be all-nba D, he's Just gotta be solid(he's capable of that...he Just takes breaks on that end)...Kidd has already called out Luka, he's gonna have to be more consistent on D and I'm sure Lively and others Will try to persuade him to Focus on that side too
With Exum out rotation Look probably something like this:

PG: Luka/ Dinwiddie
SG: Kyrie/Hardy
SF: Klay/Grimes
PF: PJ/Naji
C: Lively/Gafford

Depending on matchups Maxi is gonna Play PF against bigger teams and Naji SF...in those games there could be fewer minutes for Hardy...Omax will probably get a chance against weaker teams and when Players will be out

Maxi never averaged less than 20 minutes so you can surely put Naji on SF for a lot of time and consequently Grimes on 2. And I hope very much that Exum is not out for the season. Luka might get away with not playing 100% in D, Hardy can't and with Klay his scoring will be even less needed.

Playing behind 2 superstars and not be specialist for anything would always be difficult for anyone, Mavs simply don't need player like that.

Yeah,but Maxi is finished...his last two seasons were terrible.... he's not getting any Younger and doubt he's gonna be getting same minutes like he used to...honestly,I can see Maxi being dealt along with Hardy,Exum

[Bob8]

The goal gor this season should be less regular season minutes for Luka and Kai ,so that they get more rested in the postseason...the team is deep enough...I'm sure Kidd is gonna rotate a lot...and by playing fewer minutes it should allow Luka to try more on D,not Just in spurts....nobody is asking him to be all-nba D, he's Just gotta be solid(he's capable of that...he Just takes breaks on that end)...Kidd has already called out Luka, he's gonna have to be more consistent on D and I'm sure Lively and others Will try to persuade him to Focus on that side too
With Exum out rotation Look probably something like this:

PG: Luka/ Dinwiddie
SG: Kyrie/Hardy
SF: Klay/Grimes
PF: PJ/Naji
C: Lively/Gafford

Depending on matchups Maxi is gonna Play PF against bigger teams and Naji SF...in those games there could be fewer minutes for Hardy...Omax will probably get a chance against weaker teams and when Players will be out

Maxi never averaged less than 20 minutes so you can surely put Naji on SF for a lot of time and consequently Grimes on 2. And I hope very much that Exum is not out for the season. Luka might get away with not playing 100% in D, Hardy can't and with Klay his scoring will be even less needed.

Playing behind 2 superstars and not be specialist for anything would always be difficult for anyone, Mavs simply don't need player like that.

Yeah,but Maxi is finished...his last two seasons were terrible.... he's not getting any Younger and doubt he's gonna be getting same minutes like he used to...honestly,I can see Maxi being dealt along with Hardy,Exum

He might be, but we still need Maxi more than Hardy at the moment. Maxi and Hardy for solid and younger Pf would be great, not sure that's realistic.