What would be a FAIR trade return for a generation talent like Luka?

[GermanFan120]

Let's say you are the man in charge, and your mission is to trade away Luka for xyz reason, but still get the most return to help the Mavs to

Either

1) Compete to win a championship in short-run

OR

2) Rebuild the team to have the brightest future to compete in the future (hope it is near future)

What would be a FAIR trade return for a generation talent like Luka in your view?

Allow me to answer first, I know that Bucks said no to Nico, but had the trade been Luka for Giannis, I think I would be ok with what Nico was trying to do...

[Mr B]

Honestly the Lakers could have given Anthony Davis and 10 unprotected 1st round picks AND Labron AND Reeves AND Knecht and it wouldn’t have been enough.

[41Dirk41]

Honestly the Lakers could have given Anthony Davis and 10 unprotected 1st round picks AND Labron AND Reeves AND Knecht and it wouldn’t have been enough.

After years this time you are right. Wow.

Luka worths more the entire Fakers franchise. No doubt.

[arkuo]

Bucks for Giannis, Minnesota for a package centered around Edwards, Naz Reid and picks, Luka for Joker works for me too.

[HMFFL]

Honestly the Lakers could have given Anthony Davis and 10 unprotected 1st round picks AND Labron AND Reeves AND Knecht and it wouldn’t have been enough.

Exactly.
AD is vastly overrated.

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[joesha1698]

time to move on. wont bring him back.

[Teffer10]

We'll never know because Lakers arent dumb enough to even think about trading a piece like that.

[Astaluego]

a sports franchise is supposed to be for its fans..so for starters you don't trade your 25 year old superstar draft pick..why wouldn't there be another player more beloved by your fans even if his return was a win on the court..that being said and just playing, don't I know something centered around Suggs/Wagner and all their picks?

[arkuo]

a sports franchise is supposed to be for its fans..so for starters you don't trade your 25 year old superstar draft pick..why wouldn't there be another player more beloved by your fans even if his return was a win on the court..that being said and just playing, don't I know something centered around Suggs/Wagner and all their picks?

The Adlesons view this as a business. The Mavs are actually a side gig for them. Their main revenue stream are in casinos and resorts.

If I were a betting man, I'd say Nico operates this thing like a corporation with year on year increases on revenue targets. Part of his KPI seems to also he dependent on winning a championship no matter where or how that comes from. Using whatever method available. It's corporate America. Clearly not "for the fans" but a business model in his mind and the owners' mind.

To be fair, I've yet to meet a billionaire who's intentions are "for the people or the fans".

[Astaluego]

a sports franchise is supposed to be for its fans..so for starters you don't trade your 25 year old superstar draft pick..why wouldn't there be another player more beloved by your fans even if his return was a win on the court..that being said and just playing, don't I know something centered around Suggs/Wagner and all their picks?

The Adlesons view this as a business. The Mavs are actually a side gig for them. Their main revenue stream are in casinos and resorts.

If I were a betting man, I'd say Nico operates this thing like a corporation with year on year increases on revenue targets. Part of his KPI seems to also he dependent on winning a championship no matter where or how that comes from. Using whatever method available. It's corporate America. Clearly not "for the fans" but a business model in his mind and the owners' mind.

To be fair, I've yet to meet a billionaire who's intentions are "for the people or the fans".

Yes, but even if your goal is selfish... isn't a franchise with a young international superstar like Luka, who raises TV ratings, marketing, etc., more valuable?

[Astaluego]

This whole campaign to discredit Luka could have consequences for the future extension of KI... or should he stay out of it? What do you think?

[arkuo]

a sports franchise is supposed to be for its fans..so for starters you don't trade your 25 year old superstar draft pick..why wouldn't there be another player more beloved by your fans even if his return was a win on the court..that being said and just playing, don't I know something centered around Suggs/Wagner and all their picks?

The Adlesons view this as a business. The Mavs are actually a side gig for them. Their main revenue stream are in casinos and resorts.

If I were a betting man, I'd say Nico operates this thing like a corporation with year on year increases on revenue targets. Part of his KPI seems to also he dependent on winning a championship no matter where or how that comes from. Using whatever method available. It's corporate America. Clearly not "for the fans" but a business model in his mind and the owners' mind.

To be fair, I've yet to meet a billionaire who's intentions are "for the people or the fans".

Yes, but even if your goal is selfish... isn't a franchise with a young international superstar like Luka, who raises TV ratings, marketing, etc., more valuable?

Like I said above, "winning a championship no matter where or how that comes from". Nico and company felt that giving Luka the supermax didn't put them in the best positionnto winning it all or at least in their minds in didnt. In this scenario Nico went with "his boys". Read somewhere he knew Kyrie and AD since they were college kids. Like any business it's a gamble. Both options (One with Luka, two with Kyrie and AD) can poossibly get you there. Guy felt like he preferred the 2nd option. There are mutliple ways to get to the finals. There is no single way or the highway like most fans feel.

I think what most fans are upset about is the manner by which this was carried out. It does feel like something bitter was brewing between luka and the other protagonists. And there's also the emotional attachment with the fans which is why this feels like going through a divorce for some.

[arkuo]

This whole campaign to discredit Luka could have consequences for the future extension of KI... or should he stay out of it? What do you think?

To be fair, the "campaign" towards Luka that are coming from Marc Spears, Mcmahon, Windhorst all come from their anonymous sources or NBA executives.

I think this is similar to how the media piled on Kyrie with their anonymous sources then who said he was against jews, didn't like vaccines etc and was a locker room cancer. These things are done to rile people up, get a reaction and drive views up with their respective social media pages etc. It'll blow over.

[41Dirk41]

a sports franchise is supposed to be for its fans..so for starters you don't trade your 25 year old superstar draft pick..why wouldn't there be another player more beloved by your fans even if his return was a win on the court..that being said and just playing, don't I know something centered around Suggs/Wagner and all their picks?

The Adlesons view this as a business. The Mavs are actually a side gig for them. Their main revenue stream are in casinos and resorts.

Great business... Dallas Mavericks franchise lost plus or less 1billion in 1 night from value, tickets, merchandising ecc ecc

[arkuo]

Also I'd like to add that Nico seems to have an ego thing. He seems to prefer to be in control of everything. Which is why I think he let go some of Luka's "boys" from Slovenia. I think he's jealous (?) of that setup. I don't know if jealous is the correct term for that. But yeah you guys get it.

Control Freak. Egotistic. Tone Deaf.

That's how I would describe him.

[arkuo]

a sports franchise is supposed to be for its fans..so for starters you don't trade your 25 year old superstar draft pick..why wouldn't there be another player more beloved by your fans even if his return was a win on the court..that being said and just playing, don't I know something centered around Suggs/Wagner and all their picks?

The Adlesons view this as a business. The Mavs are actually a side gig for them. Their main revenue stream are in casinos and resorts.

Great business... Dallas Mavericks franchise lost plus or less 1billion in 1 night from value, tickets, merchandising ecc ecc

They should judge this move in a few months time or a year. In any business you can't place assessments on it overnight. I do think they will take a hit on their bottomline from the start. A theory from my tinfoil hat section is they tanked the value on purpose which will move Cuban to sell his shares because these are diluted. Adelsons get full control and ownership if Cuban decides to sell all his remaining shares. Let's see if that theory holds and if Cuban can keep up with adding to their retained earnings which is needed for next year's capital expenses. Dwindling RE means more out of pocket money coming from Cuban to cover for Capex. Dollar for dollar, Cuban will run out of money long before the Adlesons would. And I mean way long. I'm sure the Adlesons have deeper pockets so whatever it is they are planning, it will unfold eventually. You can't sweep a dead chicken under the rug and expect it not to stink. Someone somewhere will eventually pick it up and news on this will be blown wide open.

[Mavrelous]

The package for me was from HOU
One of Jabari Smith or Amen Thompson
Jalen Green
Reed Sheppard
Cam Whitmore
Suns 25, 27, 29 and Mavs 29 1st back.

I wouldn't go the AD route at all.

[arkuo]

The package for me was from HOU
One of Jabari Smith or Amen Thompson
Jalen Green
Reed Sheppard
Cam Whitmore
Suns 25, 27, 29 and Mavs 29 1st back.

I wouldn't go the AD route at all.

I think in this case, Houston won't even be considered by Nico. Pelinka is his friend and AD is one of "his boys" from way back. The trade to LA was inevitable with Nico at the helm. He's doing this for himself.

[arkuo]

The package for me was from HOU
One of Jabari Smith or Amen Thompson
Jalen Green
Reed Sheppard
Cam Whitmore
Suns 25, 27, 29 and Mavs 29 1st back.

I wouldn't go the AD route at all.

Actually the best thing to do was if Nico really didn't like Luka, all he had to do was resign. Carlisle didn't like Luka, so when Cuban offered him a new contract he was like nah, I'm good fam. We got cornfields in Indiana.

Nico is an egotistic guy so he's like I'm not leaving. You're the employee, I'm the boss type of thinking. So he ships him out to his buddies in LA.

AD recently came out and mentioned that it's impossible for other people not to know a thing. Alluding to Lebron maybe knowing and approving the trade maybe. Luka is the only one in the media spotlight but there are 4 guys who were caught by surprise. Luka, Maxi, AD and Christie. So AD being a superstar himself was surprised by the move as well.

[Bob8]

a sports franchise is supposed to be for its fans..so for starters you don't trade your 25 year old superstar draft pick..why wouldn't there be another player more beloved by your fans even if his return was a win on the court..that being said and just playing, don't I know something centered around Suggs/Wagner and all their picks?

The Adlesons view this as a business. The Mavs are actually a side gig for them. Their main revenue stream are in casinos and resorts.

If I were a betting man, I'd say Nico operates this thing like a corporation with year on year increases on revenue targets. Part of his KPI seems to also he dependent on winning a championship no matter where or how that comes from. Using whatever method available. It's corporate America. Clearly not "for the fans" but a business model in his mind and the owners' mind.

To be fair, I've yet to meet a billionaire who's intentions are "for the people or the fans".

Yes, but even if your goal is selfish... isn't a franchise with a young international superstar like Luka, who raises TV ratings, marketing, etc., more valuable?

Just a reminder. You're discussing with a person, who wanted to trade Luka way before than Nico. Nico and Arkuo both hate Luka, Arkuo just pretends better.