Trading? Always looking.

oldeagle · Post #1 » by **oldeagle** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:55 pm

January 16, 2008
Avery leaves door open to trades
1:25 PM Wed, Jan 16, 2008 | Permalink
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The Ticket's Norm Hitzges, who has Avery Johnson on every Wednesday, asked Avery whether the Mavs could be active before next month's trading deadline.

"We owe it to our fans, we owe it to our team that if there

dirkforpres · Post #2 » by **dirkforpres** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:22 pm

TMac, Amare, and Redd will all be Mavs without losing Dirk Josh or Terry... Book it.

JES12 · Post #3 » by **JES12** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:31 pm

Shaq is just a flip of the pen away (according to Heat fans that want Diop + KVH)...not sure we really want to do that though.

A three way using Terry as Mav's best player leaving to land Redd would be attractive.

Bulls fans liked Diop, Hassell and KVH for Wallace.

Bass for Azibukke straight up..then sign Webber.

Any expiring or 2 year deal for Hassel.

Post #4 » by **catalyst** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:47 pm

I always love looking up a random player that JES proposes. can Azubuikke play defense and shoot the 3 ball?

JES12 · Post #5 » by **JES12** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:59 pm

catalyst wrote:I always love looking up a random player that JES proposes. can Azubuikke play defense and shoot the 3 ball?

Yes...both, but more attractive is that he does not have tunnel vision.

I think Bass would provide the Warriors that inside presence that Harrington chooses not to offer, but in reality, I think they are so high on KA, that we may have to add a pick to get that one done and depending on the round, it may or may not be worth it even with the 3 year age difference.

unbiased · Post #6 » by **unbiased** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:01 pm

mavs and warriors will not be trade partners; they don't want to risk improving the other team.

JES12 · Post #7 » by **JES12** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:06 pm

Azubuike is an unrestricted FA with Warriors owning Bird rights. Do you think he may be attainable with next year's MLE?

FGump · Post #8 » by **FGump** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:54 am

JES12 wrote:Azubuike is an unrestricted FA with Warriors owning Bird rights. Do you think he may be attainable with next year's MLE?

Azubuike is RESTRICTED. The W's will have Early Bird rights. He won't cost the MLE but the W's are likely to match and keep him.

arkuo · Post #9 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:14 am

i was kinda looking into trading with charlotte for gerald wallace or jason richardson.. either could play wingman for us.. gerald wallace being the more favored... although j-rich could also hit the 3 pointer.. something we could definitely use..

something tells me that with arenas out, caron butler will just get better and better.. he is worth trading for than redd, IMO.. but they'd pretty much ask for harris + fillers....

shaq would be useless at this point... he didnt even do a lot during the miami-dallas finals encounter a couple of years ago... he's pretty much done..

Teffer10 · Post #10 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:16 am

JES12 wrote:Shaq is just a flip of the pen away (according to Heat fans that want Diop + KVH)...not sure we really want to do that though.

A three way using Terry as Mav's best player leaving to land Redd would be attractive.

Bulls fans liked Diop, Hassell and KVH for Wallace.

Bass for Azibukke straight up..then sign Webber.

Any expiring or 2 year deal for Hassel.

I can't think of too many teams that would want Terry at this point...maybe Cleveland, Lakers, Boston?

I like the Diop/Hassell/KVH for Wallace idea.

Bass for Azibukke...not sure about that one. The biggest problem is our log jam at SG. There would certainly need to be another trade involving EJ, Stack, Hassell, Terry, or Ager.

unbiased · Post #11 » by **unbiased** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:18 am

Look at the bobcats board; they're very, very high on wallace. It would take howard plus fillers for them to even consider it, but I still don't think they'd do it.

JES12 · Post #12 » by **JES12** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:20 am

arkuo

I would love Gerald Wallace or Caron Butler over Michael Redd any day of the week, but I think both of those would have a too hefty pricetag.

JES12 · Post #13 » by **JES12** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:15 am

If Chicago offered Thabo Sefolosha & Tyrus Thomas for Trenton Hassell & Brandon Bass & Dallas 2nd, would you go for that? Or would that just be shuffling the names around?

arkuo · Post #14 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:36 am

^^ i'd personally be all over that deal...

thabo>> hassell (younger and more atheltic)
tyrus > bass (though tyrus hasnt proven to be anything except for being a big dunker, maybe he's quick enough to play SF for us with josh slipping down to the 2 guard spot... question is, could he play good D at SF)

our 2nd rounder would be 50+ at best.. so i dont think its worth anything valuable.. unless if avery thinks he could net another "prospect" like mo ager or fazekas with that pick...

arkuo · Post #15 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:58 am

jes12,

caron and wallace would cost us... but whoever said winning was cheap? anyway, i was thinking of a wacky offseason trade... but its not impossible though... its all about giving the right players to the right teams... and of course, we all end up with the right pieces...

dallas gives- josh, terry, bass, hassell, george
dallas gets- butler, wallace, may

washington gives- butler, arenas (S&T)
washington gets- josh, terry, hassell, bass

charlotte gives- wallace, may
charlotte gets- arenas (S&T), george

mavs...
C- dampier / diop
PF- dirk / may
SF- wallace / stack
SG- butler / jones
PG- harris / barea

for washington..
arenas could leave them with nothing when he opts out after this season... trading him along with butler for josh, JET, hassell and bass would balance things out... josh and butler are somewhat equal... they just got JET, hassell and bass for something that could leave them with nothing....

for charlotte...
they get instant star power.. someone who could lead the young team and bring fans to their seats... MJ said that the bobcats werent afraid to spend money if it meants getting better players as exhibited on the j-rich trade... getting arenas would cement that winning attitude even more...

for dallas...
harris, butler and wallace could probably the most athletic and defensive running combo in the league... add dirk's outside shooting and the dampier/diop combo anchoring the defense in the paint and you've got a winning combination right there... yes, losing josh, JET, and bass hurts, but if they'll net us the right pieces and a step towards a championship, that's a loss i'd deal with any day... one step back and two steps forward...

Darren · Post #16 » by **Darren** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:11 pm

GWall & Caron Butler are both solid player. I'd miss Josh Howard.

But I don't think Bobcat would go for it.
Arenas & Felton at PG??? Too undersized to enjoy much success.

I doubt if Washington would trade Gilbert unless he'd surely opt out.

Does this idea have any legs?

arkuo · Post #17 » by **arkuo** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:30 pm

Darren wrote:GWall & Caron Butler are both solid player. I'd miss Josh Howard.

But I don't think Bobcat would go for it.
Arenas & Felton at PG??? Too undersized to enjoy much success.

I doubt if Washington would trade Gilbert unless he'd surely opt out.

Does this idea have any legs?

like i said, its a wacky random trade thought...

if this trade were to happen and if im MJ, and i have to PG's to choose from, gilbert or felton? i'd most probably go with arenas due to his star power.. he'd bring fans to charlotte.. then i'd trade felton to another team for a wing man...

i'd miss josh too... but look at it this way, josh is somewhat equal to caron... and we turned JET into gerald wallace.. that's something i could live with...

dirkforpres · Post #18 » by **dirkforpres** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:31 pm

Id do the Tyrus and Thabo for Hassell and Bass trade... I wouldnt do the J-Ho for Gerald Wallace trade though.

Post #19 » by **catalyst** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:05 pm

The Josh trade - More talent for mavs, and separation of Terry and Harris. I am not sure others would go along, but I have great interest in that. I think it hits the "Trade Terry to get better" theme

Thomas trade - Shuffling the roster. Bass scores more, Thomas plays more D. JES loves Thabo, and would sway me to agree with this.

I doubt either would happen tho

JES12 · Post #20 » by **JES12** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:26 pm

catalyst wrote:Thomas trade - Shuffling the roster. Bass scores more, Thomas plays more D. JES loves Thabo, and would sway me to agree with this.

True, I like Thabo because he does as good of (defensivley) a job against Wage and other 2 guards as Harris does against speedy PGs, but I can also see this happeing:

2005-Daniels
2006-Buckner
2007-Hassell
2008-Sefolosha

I really don't know if Avery would play Thabo. If I knew Thabo would not be played and looking at the Bass/Tyrus trade, I don't know if I would do that.