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If Kidd can post up point guards like a Baron Davis or Nick Van Exel and consitently draw double teams Kidd could be a much better match with Dirk than Nash ever was. (if Avery realizes this) I thought Dirk and Van Exel were a better match than Nash and Dirk for this reason.

I hadn't really thought of this before when considering Kidd to Dallas trades.. but now that I do this could be a tandem that works much better than expected. It all depends how good Kidd is from the post if he can dominate down there, because Dirk is a PF that dominates from the perimter they could make each other much better.

I also think Kidd can be a clutch shooter so he could be an upgrade over Harris shooting as well making Dirk a better post player by taking that pressur eoff him that killed us in the playoffs the past 2 seasons.

We're going to see what kind of coach Avery Johnson is. If he moves away from the iso sets (some) and runs more to take advantage of Kidd's talents, this could be a great deal for the Mavs. If he doesn't, we may suck.

Should be fun to watch, and if not... Uh oh.

Is Larry Brown available?

Maybe Donnie could do a Nellie impersonation?

I agree that this team needs to at the very least diversify the offense A LOT more than Avery has ever done. They are just way too predictable.

He uses the excuses that that's all he knows how to do because that's all Pop did. But Pop can run the Spurs when he wants to. And if he had Dirk rather than Duncan I bet he would run them all the time.

how could you think that Jason Kidd could be a clutch shooter. Is this the same guy they called Ason Kidd because he has no J. THis year he is having the worst shooting year ever. Shooting 37.6 from the field. I think DH is shooting better than that this year. I think this was a bonehead trade. I would have rather traded Devin Harris, and Stack for Pau Gasol then this trade, and looking what Memphis accepted for Pau we could've easily gotten it. This is a horrible trade. If Devin wasn't included it would be great. I don't think Stack is coming back to Dallas. Why would he? He can sign with Phoenix. We don't have a backup center anymore just a injury prone Dampier. We traded way too much to get Kidd. Why was the two round draft picks and the money about? I mean come on. Anyways, Jason Kidd is 35 years old, and is a horrible shooter, Yeah he can rebound and assist. But he may only have 3 years left in him. In 3 yeras, Devin Harris could be an allstar for the next 10 years. Devin Harris can defend and is quick, Jason Kidd can't defend anyone, especially the all star guards in the west. From this trade, we got older, slower and more contract. If Devin wasn't involved it would be okay, but the fact that we had to trade DH, Stack and Diop doesn't sit well with me at all. I think this is the worst trade in mavericks history. I wish we could've added KVH's contract and kept either Stack, diop or someone. Not too mention Kidd isn't exactly a stand up guy. He was traded the first time because he thought he was all that and had a big entourage. He has domestic violence issues, just not a good trade overall. How bad does Cuban's decision not to give Steve Nash at age 32 15mill a yr, when he trades away the bench to get a 35 yr old Kidd at 20mil a year, especially when Nash won mvp the next 2 years. Also, the mavs have officially traded away almost all of there trade pieces. They clearly won't ever give up howard and they almost have to keep terry now.

"how could you think that Jason Kidd could be a clutch shooter. Is this the same guy they called Ason Kidd because he has no J."

I could think Kidd is a clutch shooter because I remember him making clutch shots. I might be wrong.. but you have to realize who I am comparing him to. Harris who is a terrible shooter.. as well as all the other Mavs who are also poor shooters. That's how we got knocked out of the playoffs the past 2 times. Dirk creates open shots for guys and they can't hit them. Kidd can at least hit some big shots at times. That could be enough to get us over the hump.

One of the things I like most about this deal is that Kidd seemed to choose the mavs over Cleveland. I got the impression Kidd chose to play with Dirk over LeBron. maye this is because he sees the same thing I do.. he sees them playing well together because they both have unique games at their position that complement each other. And they both deserve a championship.

First of all, I just told you Kidd is shooting 37.6% from the FIELD, this year Harris is shooting 47.8%, Harris who is not the best shooter is shooting much better than Kidd. Harris is faster, better defender and young. Kidd is old, slow, yeah he can rebound and assist but that's it. And your point on Cleveland Dallas, why would Kidd want to go to the CAVS who suck when he can go to the MAVS who are possible contenders. It has nothing to do with Lebron or Dirk.

Pootie41 wrote:If Kidd can post up point guards like a Baron Davis or Nick Van Exel and consitently draw double teams Kidd could be a much better match with Dirk than Nash ever was. (if Avery realizes this) I thought Dirk and Van Exel were a better match than Nash and Dirk for this reason.

I hadn't really thought of this before when considering Kidd to Dallas trades.. but now that I do this could be a tandem that works much better than expected. It all depends how good Kidd is from the post if he can dominate down there, because Dirk is a PF that dominates from the perimter they could make each other much better.

I also think Kidd can be a clutch shooter so he could be an upgrade over Harris shooting as well making Dirk a better post player by taking that pressur eoff him that killed us in the playoffs the past 2 seasons.

wait why are we talkin about van exel? hes not in the league anymore

Kidd is an IQ upgrade a PER upgrade and a size upgrade plus he makes everyone around him better, a lot. This season he was wanting out and wasn't shooting to good because getting out of Jersy was on his mind, he will shoot better on a contender, last year in NJ he shot better. 10+ assists is awesome 8 + rebounds from a PG is wierd but I like it.

Terry can hit 3's and Howard and Dirk can too when Stack gets back he can as well. Wright at 6'7" is a big young athletic SG so we are getting some upside. Fazekas is called up and he's a 20 - 10 guy at the D league level with size enough to play the 5 and we might see him explode out of the gates tonight. If he even plays half as good as he did in D league I will be very happy.

With Kidd dishing it to our bigs that can catch like Dirk Bass and Faz we will get more scoring inside. Howard can take it to the hole still and with Kidd passing the rock he will be more dangerous as well. If we can keep Damps mins down to rest him for the playoffs then we stand a pretty good chance at atking things all the way.

I'm excited about the now but later on Donnie and Cuban will need to pull a rabbit out of a hat to get replacements when our guys get too old to rock and roll. hopefully by then we have some ships to remember the good ol days.

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Based on notoriety alone, most would offer a quick yes. But shine that light a little closer. Kidd's PER this season is 16.07, while Harris is way ahead at 18.66. This may shock some people who have only seen the reports of his triple-doubles, but Kidd is scoring at a much lower rate this season, shooting a hideous 36.7 percent from the field, and his turnover rate has skyrocketed. While he's far from the only culprit, his decline is one reason the Nets are 25th in offensive efficiency; the Mavs, in contrast, are second with Harris as quarterback.



Per 40 minutes, Harris averages nearly seven points more; that's huge. He also gets to the line more than twice as often and shoots a far better percentage from the field. His true shooting percentage of 59.2 dwarfs Kidd's 48.3. Think about that difference for a second -- for every nine shots they take (including free-throw sessions), Harris has a one-point advantage.



Finally, Harris is a huge plus at the defensive end, where he has the quickness to defend the Parkers, Pauls and Nashes of the West and was second in the league in offensive fouls drawn last season, according to 82games.com. By my methods, he was the best defensive point guard in the league in 2006-07. Unfortunately, the one guy he struggled against was Baron Davis, a fact that may be seared in the Mavs' memories given how last season ended.



Kidd's two big advantages are passing and rebounding, and they're gargantuan differences, make no mistake. But if you break it down, it seems his numbers in those two categories might decline in Dallas' system.

Check your research before you assume that Kidd is better overall than Harris. This is why I'm pissed because understandably the media is underestimating Devin Harris but what pisses me off is the Mavs fan who don't understand his importance.

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wait why are we talkin about van exel? hes not in the league anymore

Nick Van Exel used to play for the Mavs. He was an excellent post player for his size and could post up a lot of guards. I think Van Exel and dirk played off each other better than anyone else Dirk has ever played with. Nick was really the best post player Dirk ever played with. And because Dirk plays like a guard himself the best kind of player for him to play off of is a post player. Guards like Nahs and Harris who are penetrators don't complement Dirk as well as they post players.

So if Kidd can post up and draw double teams consistently like Baron or Van Exel they could really complement each other very well. I don't know how good at this Kidd is though.

First of all, I just told you Kidd is shooting 37.6% from the FIELD, this year Harris is shooting 47.8%, Harris who is not the best shooter is shooting much better than Kidd. Harris is faster, better defender and young. Kidd is old, slow, yeah he can rebound and assist but that's it.

Wolves fan here. Not sure if this trade is still going to happen after the George veto but if it happens I think adding Kidd is a smart move. Whatever you lose in FG% and speed with Harris you gain more in a future HOF floor general hungry for a title. Plus don't forget the extra 5 assists and 6 rebounds per game with Kidd in the line up vs Dev.



I don't like that you lose Diop.

The only reason Harris has such a high FG% is becaus ehe gets so many pick and rolls with Dirk. You could take any small quick guard and do the same thing. We did it with Terry before too and just siwtched it up because we lost in the playoffs.