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In 2-3 years?

It's obvious he does not care about the present and future of the Mavs as evident by him trading Harris.

Then add in the fact that is trading away all of our picks.

Add him already mentioning he is tired of all the NBA dictatorship.

Plus he talks to much and has broken too many bridges.


2009-10

Expirings:
Hassell
Stackhouse
Kidd (with the 1 yr extention he was looking for)
Dampier (if the mavs kee him below 30 MPG)
Howard (team option)
Nowitzki (Early Termination option)

Leaving the only player beyond that point being Jason Terry.

Avery's only under contract til 2011


I believe Cuban will sell this team no later than 2010.

Thoughts?

STFU, your hate and disdain for this team is getting pretty damn annoying since harris was involved in that near trade

it wont be no later than 2010 b/c teams are hard to sell, the process takes months, if he put his team for sale right now id say the earliest he'd sell is 2010

studcrackers wrote:STFU, your hate and disdain for this team is getting pretty damn annoying since harris was involved in that near trade

I'm not a big fan of emoticons, but...

Book it!

studcrackers wrote:STFU, your hate and disdain for this team is getting pretty damn annoying since harris was involved in that near trade

I think you have it pretty damn wrong there buddy. I love this team. That's why I don't want to see it get screwed over.

jes is the man


keep doing what you do b

jes has gone medically insane after devin got/will get traded

i doubt cubes would give up a million dollar earning business.. its not like the mavs are like the sonics.... yes they might not have post season success, but at the end of the day, cubes still earns from it.. so as a businessman, why the hell would i sell something makes my wallet thicker? its not like the team is losing money....

Yeah, cuban is into selling low.

JES, has it ever occurred to you that maybe cuban getting kidd was a "calculated risk"? with what you just stated, with kidd, dirk, howard, stack and dampier coming off the books in the summer of 2010, that would leave the mavs with great flexibility... we would be way under the cap... if it doesnt work out woth kidd, howard and dirk, all 3 come off the books at the same time, thus making rebuilding way too easy....

some names who could be free agents in the summer of 2010 are, brandon roy, randy foye, lamarcus aldridge, rudy gay, tyrus thomas, adam morisson and andrea bargnani... all youngs who could be cornerstones to rebuilding... not to mention t-mac, ginobili and jermaine oneal are all free agents too... with the money that is freed up from dallas, cubes could either re-sign the exisitng mavs players, or move on and sign one of those names above...

IMO, the would-be kidd trade is a "calculated risk" by cuban... just gives the mavs more flexibility incase things dont work out well.. by that i mean, if the mavs dont win anything by the summer of 2010...

arkuo wrote:JES, has it ever occurred to you that maybe cuban getting kidd was a "calculated risk"? with what you just stated, with kidd, dirk, howard, stack and dampier coming off the books in the summer of 2010, that would leave the mavs with great flexibility... we would be way under the cap... if it doesnt work out woth kidd, howard and dirk, all 3 come off the books at the same time, thus making rebuilding way too easy....

This is one of the points I've made in the past re: player contracts and size, etc. It's more about when they expire than their size or even how appropriate they are relative to the player. That really only comes into play in trades, though it's certainly important to have trading flexibility.

It'll be 2011 when Dirk, Josh, and Damp come off the books. Terry comes off the following year, and Kidd would be off by 2011 even if we signed him to a two-year extension. So we have 3.5 seasons to win a championship before blowing this thing up.

Honestly, if this team doesn't win a championship by then, we'll be able to gut the entire group and start over. I won't be looking forward to that as a fan...I want the team to win. But with the success I think teams like Seattle and Portland will have following their rebuilding efforts, if we do it right, we can build it quickly and better than it was before.

3.5 seasons is a pretty decent window to win a championship... not to mention the possible follow-up deals that could happen within that time frame...

Are you (Please Use More Appropriate Word)? Cuban is the most devoted owner to his team in the NBA... He wont be selling for a long time.

dirkforpres wrote:Are you (Please Use More Appropriate Word)? Cuban is the most devoted owner to his team in the NBA... He wont be selling for a long time.

I think Cuban would be absolutely bored to death if he didn't have Stern to deal with.

Mark Cuban...MFFL, or perhaps MOFL is a better way to put it.

My fear is that he will get a silly notion that he knows something about basketball and becomes a Jerry Jones type owner.

i think if we win a title he'll sell the team or maybe even when dirks career is over

If he was going to sell, after Miami Series would have been the time. Then he would match his MO of buying low, selling high. I think a deal like the kidd one will keep him as owner longer since he would have to rebuild to make the value high again.

catalyst wrote:If he was going to sell, after Miami Series would have been the time. Then he would match his MO of buying low, selling high. I think a deal like the kidd one will keep him as owner longer since he would have to rebuild to make the value high again.

I guess I don't agree with your definition of high versus low.

To me, its all economics, not win-loss record. I don't claim to know for sure, but my guess is the Mavs are substantially worth more right now than they were when he bought them. And likely worth more right now than they have ever been.

Assuming that is the case, that's "high" in my book.

studcrackers wrote:STFU, your hate and disdain for this team is getting pretty damn annoying since harris was involved in that near trade

That is some funny **** right there

Y'all know what? JES loves this team and he's just speaking the truth. I am asking all of you to not accuse him of having wavering or changed fanship.

Well, I'm sure he'll eventually sell the team. He doesn't strike me as a Jerry Buss type ... buy it and hold it forever. But I think his moves are primarily aimed at making the team better. He's got enough experience and enough basketball minds around him to understand contract management, etc., that I'm sure he has a plan about how he'll retool the team when Dirk's time has passed. However hard it is to absorb what we're going through right now, you can't take away the fact that he turned the team around and has had a long run of success. Not the level that we all hoped for yet, but success still.

Not every move turns out good. I was against the Harris/Kidd trade. It surely hasn't worked out so far, and I don't personally think it will. I think of all the big trades that were made this year in the NBA, that was the riskiest one. It isn't that surprising to me that Cubes was the one who was willing to pull the trigger on something risky. It's kindof who he is.

kz1m9w wrote:
I guess I don't agree with your definition of high versus low.

To me, its all economics, not win-loss record. I don't claim to know for sure, but my guess is the Mavs are substantially worth more right now than they were when he bought them. And likely worth more right now than they have ever been.

Assuming that is the case, that's "high" in my book.

Let me go economics.

Back then, the fans were fired up for this young team on the rise. MAvs stuff was flying off the shelf. Season tickets are at an all time high. Fans were everywhere. Now, it is hard to say such things. People have bought the new kidd jersey, but they are not buying stuff like they were. They are not excited in the crowd as much, drinking more in the arena due to depression, but not feeling good about where the team is going and feel god about spending their money to see a good product. That is my point about the best time for cuban to sell was after the 2006 season. I was basing it on economics as well. Now his product is not exciting, his team is not young or enthusiastic, and the future is over after this season with a much higher cap figure and lux tax this season than he has ever had. Finley is off the cap as is bradley. The cap declines, but so does the product, which would get a higher price than a boring, old, ill defined future. Perot sold low and still made a $125 mm. Cuban could get close to $500mm, a great number and a gross profit of $225. However, he could have gotten more when the mavs were a rising team coming off of a finals.