Cuban overreacted, again...

[DH34Phan]

I am a Bucks fan foremost, but the Mavs have been my favorite team in the West since Nash/Nowitzki, and then when they drafted Devin.

This trade is awful, and will ruin Dirk's prime, and the future of J-Ho will be affected.

In 2006 you were in the Finals with the same core (Devin-JHo-Dirk), and got screwed by the NBA IMO. That team should have won the finals.

Last year you win an astounding 67 games, but get upset by the hottest team in the NBA at the time. **** happens, but you still were a top 3 team in the NBA when looking back. The core was the same (Devin-JHo-Dirk).

This year, when healthy, the team was a top 3 team in the NBA, with the core all playing great. You guys easily could have made a run, and a return trip to the Finals.

Point is, the core of Devin-JHo-Dirk has been a part of a top 3 team in the NBA the last 3 seasons, and are still young enough to be a force for another 5 years. With Kidd, you may get one good full season, and after than the core is an aging Dirk and JHo, with no other real young support.

Another overreaction by Cuban that doesn't guarantee anything, and will make you way more older.

[Colombiano972]

Lol dude our main core consisted of Terry-Howard-Dirk in our championship run. Devin was just one of the role playing pieces to our success.

[DH34Phan]

Lol dude our main core consisted of Terry-Howard-Dirk in our championship run. Devin was just one of the role playing pieces to our success.

You don't make it to the Finals without Devin, IMO.

[mavsfoty]

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You don't make it to the Finals without Devin, IMO.

I agree with you there. DH single handely won us Game 2 of that series.

I still hate to see Devin go but am for the trade.

[Colombiano972]

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You don't make it to the Finals without Devin, IMO.

I agree also. But I think his value is starting to become way overrated. I'm going to miss Devin though, but I guess things like this have to happen......

[dirkforpres]

So whats the point of this thread? You know what else happened last year? Nothing! This year you have Pau going to LA, Shaq going to Phoenix, and New Orleans and Utah finally healthy and making a serious name for themselves. This trade was necessary for both sides, and if you think Kidd doesnt improve your team then you are high on something

[JES12]

DH34Phan

I agree!

[ppp000]

if you really are a mavs fans and have watched our games this season, you'd see why there is some sense to this trade.

DHarris was my 2nd fav Mav but it was clear to me that this team was going nowhere especially as the West GOT BETTER. Thats the key right there, we can all harp about making the Finals 2 years ago but that was in a MUCH WEAKER western conference. Now you have the Lakers, HOrnets, Warriors, Jazz all rising up. Not to mention Spurs and Suns.
And dont bring up the 67 wins. What happened in the playoffs?

Was this trade reactionary? Yes. Was it necessary? Well from what Dirk, Terry and Stack have all said (players acutally ON the team), they all seemed to favor it. We sorely lacked ball movement, court vision, and a bonafide playmaker.

We will all miss Devin a lot. But now that this trade is done, we should continue supporting the Mavs and Harris in NJ. And also lets show some respect to Kidd, he's a superstar, HOF pg for a GOOD reason. We can harp on his absymal shooting and mediocre D, but think about it: this guy has never been a great shooter but has always been known for being a great leader and playmaker.

[JES12]

I can't believe you guys are throwing the "if you're a mavs fan" or the if you think Kidd doesnt improve your team then you are high on something" cards out.


That's just plain (Please Use More Appropriate Word). All this team needed was Avery (or a real coach) to tell this team that the lesser teams are games we need to show up to also.

PG was not our issue and "if you're a mav fan" you would know that SG is way more of an issue that PG could ever be and you would know that we gave up WAY, WAY TOO MUCH for Kidd.

[unbiased]

I am a Bucks fan foremost, but the Mavs have been my favorite team in the West since Nash/Nowitzki, and then when they drafted Devin.

So basically you only like the mavericks when/if they have harris. About as much can be gathered from you screen name. Now you can pull for NJ.

[unbiased]

and you would know that we gave up WAY, WAY TOO MUCH for Kidd.

I know the mavs gave up harris, diop and trash for the baggy shorts generation of Magic Johnson. Harris' potential, like every young player, is not certain.

[Teffer10]

I can't believe you guys are throwing the "if you're a mavs fan" or the if you think Kidd doesnt improve your team then you are high on something" cards out.


That's just plain (Please Use More Appropriate Word). All this team needed was Avery (or a real coach) to tell this team that the lesser teams are games we need to show up to also.

PG was not our issue and "if you're a mav fan" you would know that SG is way more of an issue that PG could ever be and you would know that we gave up WAY, WAY TOO MUCH for Kidd.

JES, you seem to concentrate too much on Harris' individual game and not the bigger issue. Whether it was Harris' fault or not, the team simply didn't respond to Harris running the show. Dirk, Stack, Terry, George, Jones, and everyone else didn't seem to be committed to the changes that Avery made at the beginning of the season. I only noticed compliance from everyone's body language and in the world of management, that is something we don't like to see from our employees.

I think the team will respond to a proven floor general that is headed to the HOF over a young pg who has only proved that he still has potential.
Time is running out on this team and this is a move that had to be made.
Do you think I enjoy having 4 different versions of Harris jersey's in my closet now? I don't and never have owned another player's jersey in my life.

[JES12]

Teffer10

That may be true, butif that is, that just proves everyone right: they are mental midgits (including the coach & owner) if they have to have a 35yo kidd motivate them.

And once again, everyone is talking about Harris' potential. Soon enough, you will see that he is already there when you start to miss him.

And the whole time is running out thing JUST ran out by this trade. Mavs just traded away there chance of a title in the Dirk era.

[Teffer10]

In all reality, I actually do agree with you JES to a certain degree. The difference I see is that Harris will never be able to do it here in Dallas because there are too many vets on this team. The situation was bad for Harris from the getgo. He had to fill Nash's shoes which was difficult enough for what Nash did in Dallas let alone winning 2 MVPs after he left. Devin had to play in Terry's shadow from day 1 and we all know that making 3 pointers seems to be priority over good defense and important development. He is also much younger than most of the core players of the team.
I was as pissed as you with the Mavs organization in the off season for not addressing this because I saw this coming. If the FO would have gotten rid of Terry and not resigned Stack, I think Dev would have had a chance to gain the rest of the team's respect. However, when they resigned Stack, I basically knew what Avery was thinking and Dev didn't have a prayer leading this team. That is why I posted so many trade scenarios with getting Terry out of here in the off season and got slammed for it. Especially the Ricky Davis suggestion which would be a very nice contract to have right now.
But everyone wanted to keep Terry and Stack (especially management) and that is why I think Devin failed to lead the team. Avery tried to give him a shot, but it was just a waste of time after resigning Stack and not moving Terry.
And if you noticed, I even suggested once as a possible option that we trade Dirk for all that we could get to rebuild around Devin.

I think Devin has the potential and may be there already like you say. However, we never would have known anyway with this group for the reasons that I mention above.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Cuban traded young, big, and picks for one aging PG who though he can average near triple-doubles, couldn't shoot over 40% and couldn't win without Kenyon Martin's defense and a good supporting cast.

I think the real problem is Avery Johnson has run off Daniels (after Avery coached poorly in the finals and didn't use Daniels enough) and now he's run off Harris after losing in the first round and not using Harris enough.

Avery got tired of Diop.

Now Avery has taken the league MVP and asked HIM to change his game.

I think Avery's the problem.

Dallas won't have any chemistry and your core is now 30-something.

NJ killed Dallas with that deal. Thorne took Cuban to school.

[JES12]

In retrospect, I agree with you Teffer10. But in your previous posts, I did not agree at the time because I had more faith in our owner, gm, coach, and star player (Dirk).

After not using the MLE to get a good player, then waiving Mbenga to sign Juwan (who I really did not like just because of the additional salary), I started to question them. Then seeing Avery's lack of good coaching, I really started to doubt them. Finally, after the last 2 weeks, I lost all faith in them. The only way to make this worse is to cut Fazekas instead of Juwan.

[JES12]

Cuban traded young, big, and picks for one aging PG who though he can average near triple-doubles, couldn't shoot over 40% and couldn't win without Kenyon Martin's defense and a good supporting cast.

I think the real problem is Avery Johnson has run off Daniels (after Avery coached poorly in the finals and didn't use Daniels enough) and now he's run off Harris after losing in the first round and not using Harris enough.

Avery got tired of Diop.

Now Avery has taken the league MVP and asked HIM to change his game.

I think Avery's the problem.

Dallas won't have any chemistry and your core is now 30-something.

NJ killed Dallas with that deal. Thorne took Cuban to school.

It's sad that all these Mav fans are so close to the situation that they can't see the forest through the trees, but you hit the nail on the head, my fellow NBA fan!

[Darren]

I think so. If Bibby only deserves expiring and a marginal young talent, why should the Mavs pay so much to get Kidd. Net should be the team to panic, not the Mavs.

We won't trade Devin for AI. And now, we trade Devin+Diop+2 1sts?
What a hell is Mark Cuban smoking?

[Teffer10]

I think so. If Bibby only deserves expiring and a marginal young talent, why should the Mavs pay so much to get Kidd. Net should be the team to panic, not the Mavs.

We won't trade Devin for AI. And now, we trade Devin+Diop+2 1sts?
What a hell is Mark Cuban smoking?

This was an act of desperation. We were not as desperate last year because we were in the driver's seat of the west with a good young team.
A first round loss in the POs, other teams getting better, and not addressing issues in the off season has forced the mavs to make this kind of move.

It is one final attempt to get a championship with Dirk. They are certainly putting all of the eggs into one basket. I agree with the trade, but felt the FO could have prevented this situation from happening by addressing the real problems with this team in the off season.

[JES12]

In retrospect, I agree with you Teffer10. But in your previous posts, I did not agree at the time because I had more faith in our owner, gm, coach, and star player (Dirk).

After not using the MLE to get a good player, then waiving Mbenga to sign Juwan (who I really did not like just because of the additional salary), I started to question them. Then seeing Avery's lack of good coaching, I really started to doubt them. Finally, after the last 2 weeks, I lost all faith in them. The only way to make this worse is to cut Fazekas instead of Juwan.

The Mavs waived rookie Nick Fazekas to make room to sign Van Horn in order to include him in the deal.

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