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Post#1 » by oldeagle » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:43 pm

Players in their last year of contract. What will happen to them?
George-Gone
Wright-resign
Allen-resign
Juwan Howard-Gone
JJB-gone
J Magloire-gone
TLue-resign
RTerry-should be ready

EJones should end up in a trade
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Post#2 » by Rand10 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:06 pm

Barea- I wouldn't mind having him back for a minimum contract even if we re-sign Lue. We're not going to find a better 3rd string pg, and it's not like we've got anything better to do with his roster spot.

Malik Allen- Solid player, but if we sign a backup center he probably wouldn't have much of a role here. Bass' minutes will probably increase next year too.

Lue- re-sign unless we can find a better option

Wright- re-sign and try to develop him next year

R. Terry- See what he's got in the summer league

I agree with you that George, Juwan, and Magloire should be gone and EJ used as trade filler.
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Post#3 » by Teffer10 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:15 pm

I would like to see this as our starting lineup next season if we can't sign or trade for a decent SG.

Kidd/Howard/Bass/Dirk/Damp

I'd try to resign Wright and Allen but not for too much. Let the others go with the exception of Lue if it looks like he will fit well in the POs.

Juan, Magloire and Jones are absolutely worthless to this team and George probably won't be back.
Barea needs to go to a team where he can get some PT.


Hopefully, Stack, Lue, Allen and Wright will be solid bench contributers.
I also hope we can trade Terry for more help in the frontcourt or a SG. No idea who that could be though.
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Post#4 » by Teffer10 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:23 pm

mavfan33 wrote:Barea- I wouldn't mind having him back for a minimum contract even if we re-sign Lue. We're not going to find a better 3rd string pg, and it's not like we've got anything better to do with his roster spot.

Malik Allen- Solid player, but if we sign a backup center he probably wouldn't have much of a role here. Bass' minutes will probably increase next year too.

Lue- re-sign unless we can find a better option

Wright- re-sign and try to develop him next year

R. Terry- See what he's got in the summer league

I agree with you that George, Juwan, and Magloire should be gone and EJ used as trade filler.


I think Avery could settle this starting SG non-sense by moving Bass into the starting lineup and moving Howard to the SG.

I like Malik Allen as a backup to Dirk...kind of an Allen Henderson with some good offensive skills.

We do need to address the backup center spot in the offseason because that weakness will be painfully exposed on the playoffs.
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Post#5 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:31 pm

oldeagle wrote:Players in their last year of contract. What will happen to them?
George-Gone
Wright-resign
Allen-resign
Juwan Howard-Gone
JJB-gone
J Magloire-gone
TLue-resign
RTerry-should be ready

EJones should end up in a trade


George will be gone unless he fires his agent, then he would stay
Wright - RFA, he stays
Allen - iffy, but more than likely leaves. Depends on the playoffs...
Juwan - adios, don't let the door hit ya... :rofl:
JJB - someone will offer him more money, we'lll wish we had...
Magloire - no matter if he's good or bad, he's gone
Lue - definite resign, especially if he's cheap
EJones - S&T, agreed
RTerry - not sure if he will be ready, but it would be nice
Sebuitis - did we forget about him? He could take JJB roster spot
If we could just close games with Luka, Kyrie, Green, Maxi, and Wood that'd be great...
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Post#6 » by Rand10 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:35 pm

Teffer10 wrote:I think Avery could settle this starting SG non-sense by moving Bass into the starting lineup and moving Howard to the SG.

I like Malik Allen as a backup to Dirk...kind of an Allen Henderson with some good offensive skills.

We do need to address the backup center spot in the offseason because that weakness will be painfully exposed on the playoffs.

I'm not big on the Bass at small forward idea. I just don't think he has the shooting range to stretch the floor or quickness to guard perimeter players. I'd rather him work on improving his ability to finish at the rim, rebound, and defend the paint more than anything.
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Post#7 » by Rand10 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:36 pm

your_dallas_mavericks wrote:George will be gone unless he fires his agent, then he would stay
Wright - RFA, he stays
Allen - iffy, but more than likely leaves. Depends on the playoffs...
Juwan - adios, don't let the door hit ya... :rofl:
JJB - someone will offer him more money, we'lll wish we had...
Magloire - no matter if he's good or bad, he's gone
Lue - definite resign, especially if he's cheap
EJones - S&T, agreed
RTerry - not sure if he will be ready, but it would be nice
Sebuitis - did we forget about him? He could take JJB roster spot

I'm pretty sure Wright is unrestricted. I don't think anyone will offer him much though, so it shouldn't be too hard to re-sign him.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#36
Restricted free agency exists only on a limited basis. It is allowed following the fourth year of rookie "scale" contracts for first-round draft picks (see question number 41). It is also allowed for all veteran free agents who have been in the league three or fewer seasons. However, a first round draft pick becomes an unrestricted free agent following his second or third season if his team does not exercise its option to extend the player's rookie scale contract for the next season. All other free agency is limited to unrestricted free agency.
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Post#8 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:39 pm

^^ Thanks for the info...
If we could just close games with Luka, Kyrie, Green, Maxi, and Wood that'd be great...
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Post#9 » by jwa1107 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 pm

Eddie Jones says he's not going anywhere; back in the JKidd trade fiasco he said if he were traded he'd just retire rather than move and start over.

He has a PO for next season and I cannot see why he would exercise it. So unless DAL waives him or he asks for a buyout, i think he's here next season...
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Post#10 » by Darren » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:42 pm

Maybe Eddie Najera and Adrain Griffin.
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Post#11 » by JES12 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:52 pm

George may be back because he is the only one we can sign without use of MLE. Wait, Barea has early bird rights, so he may be an option also.

Do we have rights on Wright? Maybe someone like Gump will elaborate.

Allen, Juwan, Magloire, Lue would all have to sign for vet min or 20% more than their salary this year.

Any signing of players for next year will have more to due with how much they will settle for moreso than if we like them or not.
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Post#12 » by FGump » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:01 am

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=334

From DLord's current article at Dallas Basketball

SUMMER SHOPPING - A QUICK GLANCE AHEAD

The Mavs will go into the summer with only seven players locked up for next season; all five starters (Dampier, Nowitzki, Josh Howard, Stackhouse, Kidd) plus two key reserves (Terry, Bass).

The status of the other eight players will be as follows:

Jones - player option for another year at about $2M.
George - Mavs will have Early Bird rights to sign him or to use him in a sign-and-trade; despite Cuban's past protests, given the need to fill up so many roster slots, the Mavs may be wise to keep their options open here
Wright - a fourth-year player whose option was declined, he will be an unrestricted free agent, and if both sides want him to return, the Mavs will have the ability to offer him up to that declined option amount (about a 30% raise) without using MLE money
Barea - restricted free agent, Mavs will have Early Bird rights
Magloire, Allen, Lue, Juwan Howard - all four veterans are coming off one-year minimum salary contracts and the Mavs will have to use MLE money if they want to offer more than a minimum salary contract to keep any of them

The Mavs' priorities in free agency will be affected by how the current roster plays through the playoffs and which of their free agents want to stay here. Isn't there also going to be a glaring need for a second center from somewhere else this summer, if Magloire doesn't discover the fountain of youth?

Based on what we've seen so far, we'd definitely love to see Allen, Lue, and even Wright back for at least another year. That still leaves a whole boatload of decisions to make to fill up the roster.
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Post#13 » by Teffer10 » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:44 am

mavfan33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I'm not big on the Bass at small forward idea. I just don't think he has the shooting range to stretch the floor or quickness to guard perimeter players. I'd rather him work on improving his ability to finish at the rim, rebound, and defend the paint more than anything.


But he does have the size and strength to create mismatches if smaller SFs try to guard him.
His range is expanding to about 18 ft so I think that could increase as well.

Just think of the rebounding edge that we would have with that lineup. All 5 are good rebounders.
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Post#14 » by dirkforpres » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:15 am

I hope Wright and Allen come back. Barea and Lue arent too bad of backups either. It doesnt matter either way if the rest of them stay or go... Especially since im expecting George to be gone, barring he doesnt change agents.
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Post#15 » by Darren » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:41 am

Call up all the ex-Mavs and call it an offseason.

Of course, landing Artest or Marion or even Maggette would be great. But let's be real, Rayshawn Terry appears the realistic pickup of the coming offseason.

We'd be fine re-signing Allen, Wright, Lue to vet min. And get back Eddie, Griffin, Diop or even DA. Sign RAT or the second round pick.

We'd have:
C - Damp / Diop / Allen
PF - Dirk / Bass / Najera
SF - JoHo / Griffin / RAT
SG - Stack / Wright / DG
PG - Kidd / JET / Lue or DA

We get rid of super slow Magloire, Juwan Howard, Eddie Jones. As much as I like JJB, I don't think he's anywhere close to help us now.

Malik Allen - Vet Min
Eddie Najera - Vet Min
Desagana Diop - Half of MLE
Adrain Griffin - Vet Min
Rayshawn Terry - Rookie contract
Antoine Wright - Match all non-crazy offer
Tyon Lue or Darrell Armstrong - Vet Min
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Post#16 » by myconsumerclub » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:03 pm

Still need to see what Magliore can develop into I don't think he was given enough of a look at. In fact I know he wasn't and you need to give a guy that was once an all star a decent shot. IMO this speaks to Avery's ability to spot talent in big men. He let Fazekas go and he's getting time to develop in LA and doing a decent job. This really gets me pissed off because I think he should be the back up PF that we developed this year instead of Brandon. He's bigger and a better shooter that can defend other bigs and rebound. Bass cannot defend other PF's well enough that is why he needs to be used as a back up SF. Fazekas would have developed enough to allow us to work him into a trade later on and fill another hole that we have and bass could have developed still. Juwan Howard is gone after this year.
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Post#17 » by Pointguard01 » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:02 pm

Teffer10 wrote:I would like to see this as our starting lineup next season if we can't sign or trade for a decent SG.

Kidd/Howard/Bass/Dirk/Damp

I'd try to resign Wright and Allen but not for too much. Let the others go with the exception of Lue if it looks like he will fit well in the POs.

Juan, Magloire and Jones are absolutely worthless to this team and George probably won't be back.
Barea needs to go to a team where he can get some PT.


Hopefully, Stack, Lue, Allen and Wright will be solid bench contributers.
I also hope we can trade Terry for more help in the frontcourt or a SG. No idea who that could be though.


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Post#18 » by Teffer10 » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:50 pm

Pointguard01 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



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Here is my point. Bass is too good to get only Dirk backup minutes. If the Mavs properly address the backup center position, that will basically eliminate his minutes at the 5. That leaves the SF position. If the Mavs don't properly address the SG position, Howard at the 2 and Bass at the 3 makes more sense. Otherwise, we might as well trade Bass to improve in one of those areas of need because he will be wasted talent.
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Post#19 » by JES12 » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:11 pm

myconsumerclub wrote:Still need to see what Magliore can develop into I don't think he was given enough of a look at. In fact I know he wasn't and you need to give a guy that was once an all star a decent shot. IMO this speaks to Avery's ability to spot talent in big men. He let Fazekas go and he's getting time to develop in LA and doing a decent job. This really gets me pissed off because I think he should be the back up PF that we developed this year instead of Brandon. He's bigger and a better shooter that can defend other bigs and rebound. Bass cannot defend other PF's well enough that is why he needs to be used as a back up SF. Fazekas would have developed enough to allow us to work him into a trade later on and fill another hole that we have and bass could have developed still. Juwan Howard is gone after this year.


:rofl:

I thought you wer talking about Mbenga at fisrt!

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But you were talking about Fazekas and thre Clippers.
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Post#20 » by Rand10 » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:56 am

Wow, I can't believe I forgot the most important one.

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