No Need to Blow It Up

[arkuo]

as the title suggests, there is no need to blow the team up right now..

there is no need to ship josh, stack, dirk, damp, kidd, JET and even bass out altogether...

as bad as we have been this season, there is actually no need to trade away half the team... we'd just end up taking back garbage and othing near the value we sent out.....

and as hard as it may seem to be optimistic right now, mav fans should realize that we are like one star away from being back in contention.... ONE...

we ship out howard and/or stack for a star that would work well with dirk and kidd.... that should take care of the triumvirate that were planning to build... we just need somebody who could score big... scoring is something we lack.. dirk aint scoring a hundred a game, kidd aint scoring much is a given, and if josh misses shots like these, then we'd really have a hard time reaching 90 points a game.. we just need somebody to help with the scoring.. take the some load off dirk and make kidd effective on the floor...

like i said before in other threads, baron davis and/or gilbert arenas would do this team good.... their big time scorers who can easily score 20 a game... put them as our 2 guard with kidd running the point....

i know where some of you are going with this.. their too short to play 2 guard right? but were already playing terry at the 2 guard spot and we got ourselves a 6'5'' PG in kidd.... of course we could afford to put somebody better than terry at the 2...

forget bout getting defensive stoppers right now coz we simply cant put a defensive lineup out there when we're in dire need of scoring... our offense paves the way for our defense...

we should put offensive players at the 2 guard spot.. forget bout stopping the kobes and tmacs of the league... if we cant stop them, then let them stop us... let them adjust to us by guarding our offensive 2 guard and our PF who can shoot threes like a shooting guard... if we cant beat them, let them beat us.. we spent almost the whole season playing defense that ou scoring load was put mainly on dirk's shoulders... we live and die through our offense... if our offense fails us, then there's no way avery could put out a defensive lineup out there who couldnt score....

baron davis
gilbert arenas
jermaine oneal
shawn marion
michael redd


just some of the names that COULD be available in the offseason....

keep dirk and kidd and maybe even terry... then offer a josh howard package for any name above.... it isnt a sure fire deal, but any of those names in a dallas uniform would look good compared to josh at this point....

[JES12]

Please, for the sake of my sanity, keep Gilbert Arenas away from a Mav's uniform!

The only way I would like to see him here is if he takes Terry's role on this team. That of course means, no Howard, Bass, Kidd or Dirk involved in the trade and he stays away from the PG role.

[arkuo]

Please, for the sake of my sanity, keep Gilbert Arenas away from a Mav's uniform!

what is in arenas that you dont like JES?

[arkuo]

i could live with baron davis as our 2 guard and kidd at point...

baron plays the "kobe-role" and dirk plays ala gasol...

or

jermaine oneal and dirk frontcourt would be meaner that what phoenix has.... kinda like david robinson and tim duncan back in the day... they just need to be surrounded be shooters and slashers...

at this point these experiments look much better than how we look right now...

[JES12]

what is in arenas that you dont like JES?

I don't like streaky jumpshooters (especially at the point) that take ill-advised shots and try to do it all by themselves and destroy the team in the process.

[JES12]

i could live with baron davis as our 2 guard and kidd at point...

baron plays the "kobe-role" and dirk plays ala gasol...

or

jermaine oneal and dirk frontcourt would be meaner that what phoenix has.... kinda like david robinson and tim duncan back in the day... they just need to be surrounded be shooters and slashers...

at this point these experiments look much better than how we look right now...

I didn't have any problem with the rest of the players you mentioned. I don't like Baron for the same reasons I don't like Arenas, but if he is at the SG, then I can live with it. And Baron's D is hands down better than Arenas.

[arkuo]

-= original quote snipped =- And Baron's D is hands down better than Arenas.

tell me bout it... baron's D is kinda better than anyone on our team right now..

i remember watching the golden state game against phoenix and his D on nash gained nash a technical foul from the refs... nash was just pissed that baron keeps swiping his hands in and out of his dribbles....
not trying to pump up baron's value in this board, but i think he would be really of great help to this team. not only defensively, but especially in carrying the scoring load...

[Dirk]

Maggette and Brand, aren't they available?

Almost all of these players are injury prone..

[the_mavsman]

Yeah I rather someone like Maggette or if possible, Jeff Green on the team.

[BOBBA LUI]

Kidd looks like a bust. I would not build around him, but it looks like he's unmovable unless Cuban settles for pennies on the dollar. 67 to 51 is just the beginning. Dallas is not one superstar away either, especially w/out a young supporting cast.

[arkuo]

Dallas is not one superstar away either, especially w/out a young supporting cast.

i beg to disagree.... dallas is indeed one REAL star away from winning consistently.. if josh howard played like his all-star year where dallas was close to unbeatable when he scores 20 or more, then i would say dallas is one star away...

dallas just needs another guy who could score more or less 20 a night (aside from dirk).... given the same supporting cast, if josh only did his part, then dallas should have won a lot of games and maybe even end up woith homecourt advantage...

[DDansby123]

I've seen a couple of my fellow fans suggesting that the Mavs are one star or one great wing player away from title contenders. But how exactly are we going to get that player with the assets we have? Jason Terry, a guy we thought had no trade value at all, has played fairly well the past two games and upped his value to mediocre (w/the contract). Josh, who had a ton of value last offseason, now has seen his drop to mediocre as well. Stack has none. Kidd's value is as an expiring contract or perhaps to a young team on the verge...but we still won't be able to get a ton for him. Bass has great value now, IMO, as does Dirk.

So the two guys we want to keep have the most value. Sound familiar?

The facts, IMO, are these:

(1) We haven't been close to championship-caliber all season, and we're certainly not there right now.
(2) Even if we only need "one star" or one good wing player, we don't have the assets necessary to acquire that player without trading someone we already need or want to keep (e.g., Bass).
(3) We're at least a year late in blowing this up, and that needs to happen this offseason.

[arkuo]

i know where you're coming from DDan...

but if boston could find a way to net KG and allen, and the lakers got gasol for a happy meal, it isnt impossible that we net somebody who could help us with the "assets" we have...

i would still be happy if we got somebody like jermaine oneal or shawn marion for josh howard and/or stack...


C- oneal / dampier
PF- dirk / bass
SF- george / wright / r.terry
SG- terry / jones
PG- kidd / lue / barea

that looks better than what we have right now... JO is a risk.. but IMO, its a risk worth taking coz at this point, its all or nothing....

[DDansby123]

^ I understand your point, and it's difficult emotionally to pull the plug on a team. That being said, the Celtics had a young big man with a ton of potential to trade for KG and a high draft pick to trade for Allen. We have neither. The Gasol trade still doesn't make any sense to me for Memphis, and I have no clue how that deal was made.

So, I think it's unrealistic to think we can replicate their trade success.

I will say this about one guy we have: Jason Terry has shown me something very positive this series. I know he's an inconsistent shooter, and I know his defense is suspect. But he did accept the challenge of defending Chris Paul and has put forth a ton of effort trying to meet that challenge. And he's been a cheerleader for this team at home, which is pretty crucial when the rest of the crew (or a couple of guys in particular) look like they could care less. He can't be one of our top offensive options, but if we could somehow reduce him to a 4th option role off the bench, he could still be useful to us.

[mavsfoty]

^ I understand your point, and it's difficult emotionally to pull the plug on a team. That being said, the Celtics had a young big man with a ton of potential to trade for KG and a high draft pick to trade for Allen. We have neither. The Gasol trade still doesn't make any sense to me for Memphis, and I have no clue how that deal was made.

Agreed. We have no draft picks to offer thanks to the Kidd trade and Howard's stock is at an all-time low. I mean I think the offseason will be an interesting one but Cuban is going to have do some major work. At least Finley and Bradley come off the cap.

[DDansby123]

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Agreed. We have no draft picks to offer thanks to the Kidd trade and Howard's stock is at an all-time low. I mean I think the offseason will be an interesting one but Cuban is going to have do some major work. At least Finley and Bradley come off the cap.

We need to differentiate one draft pick from another, though. This year's first is in the 20s, and that's not what rebuilding teams need. They're looking for lottery picks, preferably in the 1-10 area (which is what Seattle got what Ray Allen). Our picks just aren't that valuable, to other teams or to us for that matter.

Edit: I should say that the difference-makers usually aren't found in the 20s (Howard being an exception), and most teams are looking for lottery picks, preferably in the 1-10 range. Our picks usually aren't that high, though that 2010 pick might be, depending on what we do in the meantime.

But now is the perfect time for us to start the rebuilding process this offseason, maybe even miss the playoffs, take our lottery pick in 2009, and then shoot for a playoff run (and a 20+ pick to the Nets in 2010). That's why I was hoping we'd make the playoffs this year.

[mavsfoty]

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We need to differentiate one draft pick from another, though. This year's first is in the 20s, and that's not what rebuilding teams need. They're looking for lottery picks, preferably in the 1-10 area (which is what Seattle got what Ray Allen). Our picks just aren't that valuable, to other teams or to us for that matter.

That and we can't trade next year's pick anyway. NBA rules won't allow it since the Nets own our 2010 pick as well.

[DDansby123]

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That and we can't trade next year's pick anyway. NBA rules won't allow it since the Nets own our 2010 pick as well.

We shouldn't trade it anyway, though...we need it to be a lottery pick...the higher the better.

[mavsfoty]

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We shouldn't trade it anyway, though...we need it to be a lottery pick...the higher the better.

Yeah I fear that this team is going to have to go through a down year for our 2009 pick to have value and then trade it for a proven talent. ie. Allen to the Celtics.

We were so close...stupid Bennett Salvatore.

[dirkforpres]