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Posted: **Fri May 2, 2008 7:09 pm**

what's his ceiling?

anyway he could peak at an elton brand level or naww?

Posted: **Fri May 2, 2008 7:49 pm**

I think he could eventually be a starter in this league. Not an all-star like Brand, but I think he could turn into a 14-7 guy with starter minutes. If he consistently plays hard and agressive like he did in the past few games in the playoffs against the Hornets, that would make up for his lack of height.

Posted: **Fri May 2, 2008 8:04 pm**

I think he could be a solid starter too depending on how he improves his rebounding and defense. Never EB level though.

Posted: **Fri May 2, 2008 9:54 pm**

I agree. I think he has the potential to be a quality starter in this league, but not an allstar. He will be a very a key starter with his toughness and hustle.

Posted: **Fri May 2, 2008 10:09 pm**

Bass has more of a Corliss Williamson ceiling IMO.

Posted: **Fri May 2, 2008 10:19 pm**

I don't think Elton Brand would be the right comparison to Bass. Brand is more bulky than Bass is and Brand is known for his long ass arms. Bass is just a high energy player that I could see as a starter, but I think he is a lot better coming off the bench

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 1:00 am**

Corliss is a pretty good ceiling (maybe a bit better). I peg him as an inconsistent starter or a HUGE bench asset.

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 1:07 am**

More like Elton Brand has a ceiling of Brandon Bass!

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 1:54 am**

does bass have the work ethic? because that what got brand to where he is.

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 3:52 am**

Bass may eventually be as good as Brand on the offensive end, but he will neve reach Brand on the defensive end. I think a more in-line comparison is Boozer if he would ever lear to pass the ball instead of thinking once he gets the ball the other 4 mavs dissapear.

Right now, I still have him at the same level, but different strengths of as Turiaf, Maxiell and Milsap, but his jumper is better than any of those.

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 3:56 am**

^^^^^^ At this point I see Bass as a poor man's Boozer.

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 10:04 pm**

Bass will never be as fundamental as Boozer. he has the athleticism like Brand but has more hustle. He really needs to work on his post game. Even though he has one of the best first steps in the NBA for a power forward, he has no fundamentals and that was a big reason he never surpassed David West in N'awlins. His awareness on D has improved drastically, but put him on a perimeter oriented power forward (Chris Bosh or West) and his value diminishes a little bit.

I really hope to see him in Dallas again, but I'd also love to see him get a chance to start somewhere. Anyone here think he'll get more than a 4 mill. per offer from a team like Portland? If he gets that type of offer, would Dallas match? I know they don't have Bird Rights on him, but he might like Dallas enough to stay with that type of offer.

*Nevermind. I thought he was only signed to a one-year deal.

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 10:08 pm**

magee wrote:I really hope to see him in Dallas again, but I'd also love to see him get a chance to start somewhere. Anyone here think he'll get more than a 4 mill. per offer from a team like Portland? If he gets that type of offer, would Dallas match? I know they don't have Bird Rights on him, but he might like Dallas enough to stay with that type of offer.

I think Cuban would be more than willing to pay Bass whatever necessary to keep him. But a problem could occur if a team offers over-MLE money for Brandon, and Dallas would be unable to match (we'd only have early bird rights.)

Posted: **Sat May 3, 2008 11:48 pm**

37. What is the "Gilbert Arenas" provision?

With the previous CBA it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 19) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State therefore could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas themselves) for up to the average salary (see question number 24), which was about $4.9 million. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed in the current CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the average salary (see question number 24). Limiting the first year salary in this way guarantees that the player's original team will be able to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 19), or Mid-Level exception (provided they haven't used it already).

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#37

Posted: **Sun May 4, 2008 7:34 am**

If he got the minutes I think he pulls in 15 pts and 10 boards

Posted: **Sun May 4, 2008 4:08 pm**

JES12 wrote:
37. What is the "Gilbert Arenas" provision?

With the previous CBA it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 19) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State therefore could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas themselves) for up to the average salary (see question number 24), which was about $4.9 million. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed in the current CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the average salary (see question number 24). Limiting the first year salary in this way guarantees that the player's original team will be able to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 19), or Mid-Level exception (provided they haven't used it already).

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#37

Bass isn't restricted though. He had already been in the league 2 years, and then we signed him to a 2 year deal.
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullArc ... hp?id=2782

BRANDON BASS FUTURE

As Bass develops, we offer a cautionary contractual note.

He is on a two-year contract and becomes a free agent in the summer of 2009. Unfortunately, at that point, due to CBA limits the Mavs will only have the ability to offer him a deal that starts at Mid-Level (MLE) money using what is known as the Early Bird cap exception for players with 2 years of consecutive service. The MLE will likely be around $6M, meaning a team with more cap room than that could outbid the Mavs for his ongoing services.

Perhaps a multi-year deal starting at $6M (and raises) will be enough. Or perhaps he would sign a one-year deal for that $6M, getting the Mavs to 3 years of service and the ability to then offer in the summer of 2010 any contractual amount using the full Bird rights that kick in after 3 years.

But the better he gets, the harder it may be to keep him.

Posted: **Sun May 4, 2008 5:20 pm**

He will get better, but he's also gonna get much more expensive.

Posted: **Mon May 5, 2008 3:58 pm**

Rand10 wrote:Quote:
BRANDON BASS FUTURE

As Bass develops, we offer a cautionary contractual note.

He is on a two-year contract and becomes a free agent in the summer of 2009. Unfortunately, at that point, due to CBA limits the Mavs will only have the ability to offer him a deal that starts at Mid-Level (MLE) money using what is known as the Early Bird cap exception for players with 2 years of consecutive service. The MLE will likely be around $6M, meaning a team with more cap room than that could outbid the Mavs for his ongoing services.

Perhaps a multi-year deal starting at $6M (and raises) will be enough. Or perhaps he would sign a one-year deal for that $6M, getting the Mavs to 3 years of service and the ability to then offer in the summer of 2010 any contractual amount using the full Bird rights that kick in after 3 years.

But the better he gets, the harder it may be to keep him.

I don't get it. What good does it do you to have "early Bird rights" if all you can offer is the MLE? You can offer the MLE to any FA. Does it allow a team to offer the MLE amount without using up the MLE?

If Bass progresses, there very well may be a team willing to go over the $6M figure to swipe him.

If Josh is traded for a 1 year contract and a decent draft pick, would the Mavs not potentially be a good amount under the cap themselves in '09? They may need to do that just to keep Bass.

Posted: **Mon May 5, 2008 5:41 pm**

mrmreg wrote:I don't get it. What good does it do you to have "early Bird rights" if all you can offer is the MLE? You can offer the MLE to any FA. Does it allow a team to offer the MLE amount without using up the MLE?

Yeah...we can sign him with Bird rights up to the MLE amount. Of course the EB exception nullifies need to use the ML exception.

mrmreg wrote:If Bass progresses, there very well may be a team willing to go over the $6M figure to swipe him.

And I think that will happen.

mmreg wrote:If Josh is traded for a 1 year contract and a decent draft pick, would the Mavs not potentially be a good amount under the cap themselves in '09? They may need to do that just to keep Bass.

I think trading Terry + Stack for Szczerbiak + Jones makes more sense filling the starting SG and backup PG role without using exceptions and having room to sign Bass for more.

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