Showcasing Bass and preparing for his possible departure...

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #1 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Fri May 16, 2008 4:38 pm

Bass becomes an UFA in 2009, he will more than likely be showcasing his skills in a major way this upcoming season. What will the Mavs do? Will they alleviate cap space in order to keep him, will they trade him midseason, sign-and-trade him after the season, or just lose him for nothing? Bass has surprised most of us and has turned into a rich man's Najera! :rofl:

We have to find a way to keep him. Can we give him an extension before the season starts? We can't allow anyone to catch this Bass! :rofl:

Let the Mavs' hook him! :rofl:

dirkforpres · Post #2 » by **dirkforpres** » Fri May 16, 2008 6:41 pm

Post #3 » by **studcrackers** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:37 pm

why do you always put those smiley faces in your posts? it makes it look like you're laughing at yourself, only theres nothing funny in your posts

Rand10 · Post #4 » by **Rand10** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:06 pm

your_dallas_mavericks wrote:Bass becomes an UFA in 2009, he will more than likely be showcasing his skills in a major way this upcoming season. What will the Mavs do? Will they alleviate cap space in order to keep him, will they trade him midseason, sign-and-trade him after the season, or just lose him for nothing? Bass has surprised most of us and has turned into a rich man's Najera! We have to find a way to keep him. Can we give him an extension before the season starts? We can't allow anyone to catch this Bass! Let the Mavs' hook him!

We can't offer him an extension, but I'm pretty confident we'll be able to re-sign him to MLE money.

JES12 · Post #5 » by **JES12** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:11 pm

Rand10 wrote:We can't offer him an extension, but I'm pretty confident we'll be able to re-sign him to MLE money.

Is there nowhere in the CBA that allows us to extend him this summer for 1 year (MLE money) and then have full bird rights in summer 2010?

Rand10 · Post #6 » by **Rand10** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:23 pm

JES12 wrote:Is there nowhere in the CBA that allows us to extend him this summer for 1 year (MLE money) and then have full bird rights in summer 2010?

Not that I know of. Signing him next offseason with early bird rights would prevent that too, since it would have to be for 2 years minimum.

JES12 · Post #7 » by **JES12** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:30 pm

Rand10 wrote:Not that I know of. Signing him next offseason with early bird rights would prevent that too, since it would have to be for 2 years minimum.

What? Okay...I know if we sign him next off season to the max we can (MLE amount) for 1 year, we WILL have his full bird rights Summer 2010 because at that point he would have been with the same team for 3 consecutive years. I just don't know what the stipulations are on extending him.

Rand10 · Post #8 » by **Rand10** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:36 pm

JES12 wrote:What? Okay...I know if we sign him next off season to the max we can (MLE amount) for 1 year, we WILL have his full bird rights Summer 2010 because at that point he would have been with the same team for 3 consecutive years. I just don't know what the stipulations are on extending him.

We won't be able to sign him to a 1-year deal next offseason, it has to be at least 2. That's the rule for the early bird exception, probably to prevent someone from getting full bird rights in a situation like this.

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #9 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:34 am

dirkforpres wrote:STFU

What is your problem?

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #10 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:37 am

studcrackers wrote:why do you always put those smiley faces in your posts? it makes it look like you're laughing at yourself, only theres nothing funny in your posts

Because usually I don't quote (like I am doing here) and I only know the BBCode for that emoticon. Thanks for asking me why. I think I have overused that emoticon.

dirkforpres · Post #11 » by **dirkforpres** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:10 am

your_dallas_mavericks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What is your problem?

What is the point of this thread? Theres no way Cuban doesnt re-sign or trade Bass... Especially after all the man-love he showed for him during the season.

hph6203 · Post #12 » by **hph6203** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:35 am

The Mavs get his Early Bird Rights at the end of this season don't they? Which allows them to sign him for up to 125% of the MLE right? (I Think that's what it is). There's no way anyone is looking to sign Bass for more than that at this point, 6 mil/year is more than I can see anyone paying him at this point.

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #13 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:17 pm

dirkforpres wrote:What is the point of this thread? Theres no way Cuban doesnt re-sign or trade Bass... Especially after all the man-love he showed for him during the season.

His ceiling is high, he becomes a FA after the 2008-09 season. He could or could not be used as a piece to get other players. He could be re-signed. If you believe everything the FO spews then you have a lot more of a problem then I thought you have. I may be optmistic, but I am not naive. I know better. FOs of all sports lie, lie, lie especially in the offseason... Cuban has showed his so-called love mutliple times to multiple players who are now playing elsewhere.

Don't believe anything the FO has to say about anyone in the organization. It's the nature of the beast.

Teffer10 · Post #14 » by **Teffer10** » Mon May 19, 2008 9:53 pm

your_dallas_mavericks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

His ceiling is high, he becomes a FA after the 2008-09 season. He could or could not be used as a piece to get other players. He could be re-signed. If you believe everything the FO spews then you have a lot more of a problem then I thought you have. I may be optmistic, but I am not naive. I know better. FOs of all sports lie, lie, lie especially in the offseason... Cuban has showed his so-called love mutliple times to multiple players who are now playing elsewhere.

Don't believe anything the FO has to say about anyone in the organization. It's the nature of the beast.

YDM, you bring up a good point for discussion and I have had the same concerns. I'd hate to just lose him for nothing next season and since Cuban is convinced that this team is capable of winning a championship next season I think there is a strong possibility that Bass could be one of the trade pieces to help address our huge problem at the SG position. If we don't go the rebuild route then I don't have a problem trading Bass because we will need heavy minutes from Dirk for us to even have a remote chance and I certainly don't want to see Bass being our rim defender again as a center.

fazer86 · Post #15 » by **fazer86** » Sun May 25, 2008 1:21 am

we really shudnt be tryin to trade bass...i mean i think their are other possible scenarios out there for us to get better at the 2 and still keep basss

there are some underrated talents that are gonna be somewhat minimum guys like kelena azibuke, cj miles, and we shud hopefully get antoine wright back

if we trade anyone it shud be stackhouse, eddie jones, damp or josh
if we trade josh we gotta get a very good sf in return and get younger at that position
at the 3 we need someone who is dynamic in the open court and intelligent enough to make the extra pass as well josh has not done that this year or maybe ever...
and man i still remember him blowin up in the LA Laker game near the end of the season i believe he get to emotional and we cant depend on him in the clutch
and plus we can buy a pick as stated by cuban and shoot bring back reyshawn terry im fairly positiive that kidd can take advantage of his athleticism

Post #16 » by **cmavswin** » Mon May 26, 2008 1:46 am

If Bass played defense like he does offense than I would be concerned that he would get big money. However since Bass has severe issues on the defensive end than I don't expect him to get any major deals.

fazer86 · Post #17 » by **fazer86** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:37 am

cmavswin wrote:If Bass played defense like he does offense than I would be concerned that he would get big money. However since Bass has severe issues on the defensive end than I don't expect him to get any major deals.

dude his defense wasnt horrible by any means this past season
i saw that this guy has the tenacity and lateral mobility and the ability recover to block or contest a shot very nicely
but ill agree that he definitley is not a consistantly good defender but hes just about to turn 23 and i think he will become a very fine defender in another year or 2 for sure

i jus know if we give up j-ho and bass together we better get a lottery pick and a solid play or a dynamic player and a solid player...PERIOD!

Teffer10 · Post #18 » by **Teffer10** » Mon May 26, 2008 9:50 pm

fazer86 wrote:we really shudnt be tryin to trade bass...i mean i think their are other possible scenarios out there for us to get better at the 2 and still keep basss

there are some underrated talents that are gonna be somewhat minimum guys like kelena azibuke, cj miles, and we shud hopefully get antoine wright back

if we trade anyone it shud be stackhouse, eddie jones, damp or josh
if we trade josh we gotta get a very good sf in return and get younger at that position
at the 3 we need someone who is dynamic in the open court and intelligent enough to make the extra pass as well josh has not done that this year or maybe ever...
and man i still remember him blowin up in the LA Laker game near the end of the season i believe he get to emotional and we cant depend on him in the clutch
and plus we can buy a pick as stated by cuban and shoot bring back reyshawn terry im fairly positiive that kidd can take advantage of his athleticism

The problem with trading stack, jones or damp is that we would not improve. Bass has to be trade bait this off season if this FO wants to go after a championship with Dirk and Kidd. Bass is a solid player but only at the PF position which happens to be where our best player plays. Josh is the only other player on this roster that could possibly have enough trade value to make us better but I don't see that it will be enough. This team needs another quality starter who can play down the stretch.

Bass should be dealt for a quality starting SG. If the combination of Bass and Stack or Terry can land us a player like Maggette or Miller then we need to pull the trigger on that deal. I would even consider trading Bass straight up for Azibuke if that was available.

If this team was to rebuild then I think Bass would be a decent PF for us. As a backup player that is border line starting material, he will never get enough minutes at his natural position to flourish.

Here's how I see it...trade Bass and someone like Stack or George (S&T) for a solid starting SG or a versatile backup center. Then use the MLE to address the other postion (the position that isn't filled from a Bass trade).

I'd be okay a Vet Min player being a 10-12 minute backup for Dirk. I'd be okay with a guy like Malik Allen if there is a significant upgrade to our starting lineup. I'm really getting tired of this team having 2 or 3 guys (Terry, Bass, Dirk) playing out of position most of the time which creates tremendous weaknesses in other areas for us.

GswStorm3 · Post #19 » by **GswStorm3** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:19 am

Azubuike for Bass would be a good trade.

JES12 · Post #20 » by **JES12** » Tue May 27, 2008 10:03 am

Night Angel 1 wrote:Azubuike for Bass would be a good trade.

I would have done that when we still had Harris. In fact, I even posted that here and catalyst got a kick out of it as one of my off the wall trade ideas.

Warrior fans did not like it then and I don't like it now because of how inconcistant Azubuike is. I still have to concider it because 1) I think Azubuike is the type of player Kidd makes better and 2) he is at a position of need, but given that Bass is younger, more concistant and bigger, I would have to have some sort of incentive added.

Azubuike has the potential to be the next Corey Maggette (athletic slasher with a decent jumpshot and soft on defense) and Maggette's name gets mentioned here a lot, but Bass' potential is much higher.

Besides, we would have early bird rights on Bass. I don't think we would have any rights on Azubuike now that the trade deadline passed.