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I'm not even sure if the contracts work but it looks like Indiana will be very motivated to move O'Neal. I think Howard and Granger are very equal value with the edge going to Granger because of his age and size. Filler might need to be added to make this happen.

I know we don't have any picks to trade but can we offer any other financial incentives?

I think they would like to hang on to Granger but getting a more established Josh Howard plus a very solid big man in Damp should motivate them. Indiana has also been a good trade partner for us over the last few years.

Thoughts/tweaks?

Dampier would save them money, but I don't think they would be willing to trade Granger for Howard.

Rand10 wrote:Dampier would save them money, but I don't think they would be willing to trade Granger for Howard.

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And JO is an injury proned, jumpshootin PF (not C) that produced about the same per min as Bass last year and less rebounds in more minutes than Dampier.

I don't really think we should focus our attention on JO and trying to find a way to match his salary.

I agree that O'Neal is a major injury risk but if we got Diop back he could play some significant minutes. Say what you want about O'Neal but when he's healthy he's a very good scorer, rebounder and shot-blocker.

What about adding Stack or any other expiring to get Granger? I'd even be tempted to throw JET in but I don't think they would want him because of salary.

creative1 wrote:I agree that O'Neal is a major injury risk but if we got Diop back he could play some significant minutes. Say what you want about O'Neal but when he's healthy he's a very good scorer, rebounder and shot-blocker.

What about adding Stack or any other expiring to get Granger? I'd even be tempted to throw JET in but I don't think they would want him because of salary.

grainger is the cornerstone of Bird's rebuilding in Indy, don't believe they are willing to part with him. Besides at best this deal would boil down to Dampier for JO if you call Howard and Grainger even and no way the Pacers make that deal.

Fair enough.

I know I will get crucified for this because of his soft D but what about Dunleavey instead of Granger? He was very solid last year.

Dallas couldnt say yes fast enough to either deal, whether it be Granger or Dunleavy.

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And JO is an injury proned, jumpshootin PF (not C) that produced about the same per min as Bass last year and less rebounds in more minutes than Dampier.

I don't really think we should focus our attention on JO and trying to find a way to match his salary.

I'm not high on JO either but the Mavs should be willing to take some high risk chances in the off-season. JO wouldn't be that much risk if we could get rid of one of our long term contracts in the process. His contract ends the year after next. If we could get JO without giving up Dirk, Kidd, and Bass I would be willing to take a chance on him.
Besides, there aren't many available players out there that are much better.

havent seen JO after his injury but I guess the mavs would have to do it. granger is 3 years younger than howard and plays better d. thats enough for me even if JO is a bit risky injurywise