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My fellow mavs fans, I have one thing to say to you.

"DONT GET YOUR HOPES UP"

I don't see this team being changed. In fact, I highly doubt we will bring any other "big name" in for this season.

Why?

Donnie Nelson is an old tool, Cuban still has his head up his backside, and we as fans must suffer another season of pure crap. The off season has officially started, and already I've seen the name "Keith Mcloud" added to the mix. The true sad reality is that we're living in the past, and Jason Kidd is not going to save us. In fact, Kidd will move on once he's off contract in a few seasons because we won't have made any moves to build around the "PRESENT".

I think we all know, that Josh Howard has to go. But he won't. I'm still praying that I sit down in front of my tv on draft night, and hear Stern make it official that the mavericks have traded Howard off for a draft pick. But, it won't happen. It'll take us half the year before we realise that Howard should have been traded in the off season.

The sad reality is, that Eric Dampier is still be talked about by fans as our "starting center". The reality is, he is by far, in the top 5 worst centers in the league. I can safely say, I'd prefer Kwame Brown over this laugh (AND THAT, IS A TRUE LAUGH). Dampier came into the league doing nothing, his best season was his contract season (12/12), and has continued his career doing nothing. I dislike Shaq, but Shaq is right. Dampier is usless.

What do the mavs need?

We need an athletic Center. People are hoping we bring back Diop, that's already been trialed and failed. He has no post game, he can't score for the life of him, COME ON PEOPLE, we need to put someone down low that can help Dirk score. It's not rocket science, people should already know that we're one dimensional. Everything goes through Nowitzki. As much as people may whinge and carry on, we need Jermaine O'Neal. He has his faults, but he/Dirk/Kidd would be an excellent trio. You throw some wingmen around that (cheap), and you'd get results.

But, that won't happen. We will come into the season, with Dirk, Kidd and Howard, we'll have a few lesser names on the roster in which we hope can come out as pure diamonds, but at the end of the day, that won't win us a championship. And right now, that's the only goal whilst Kidd is on this roster. Kidd won't wait for us, he will move on to a contender so that he can win his ring and retire like an old man. That's in the future though, at the present time, he'll compete like the warrior he is. The sad reality is, the mavs won't make the playoffs in 2008/2009. I bet my bottom dollar on it and I hate saying it. But, with such younger, stud teams like the Hornets, Blazers, and throw in the Clippers who will have Brand back, the Western Conference is going to be one hell of a tough task again. The mavs, well we'll be the same as always. With Keith Mcloud, probably Allan Houston coming off the bench and maybe, just maybe, we might bring Reggie Miller out of retirement. I mean hell, Eddie Jones was the best FA we could pick up last season, and Juwan Howard was a great free agent signing. Donnie Nelson is a hero.

The only light is the big german, the only pure light in this dark tunnel.

Obvious ballboy post. Anything can change over the summer (ex. Boston Celtics)

I didnt read the entire post, but I agre probably with the overall concept. It sounds like we are contend with our big 3 of Dirk, Howard & Kidd. Terry is basically impossible to move and get better in the process. Dampier might get an expiring contracts but that doesnt make us better. Unless we pull something out of out asses with Stack/Bass package, we are gonna have the same team and same results next year.

We should be rebuilding. But that wont happen.

That's brilliant dirkforpres. Because I am "new" here, I have no idea what I am talking about

Yeah.....anything can happen, eg like the boston celtics. Though, do we have pieces to trade of the calibre of Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Wally, and a 5th overall pick?

No, so that "comparison" from your behalf is true :ballboy" like.

MavfanAus wrote:That's brilliant dirkforpres. Because I am "new" here, I have no idea what I am talking about

Yeah.....anything can happen, eg like the boston celtics. Though, do we have pieces to trade of the calibre of Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Wally, and a 5th overall pick?

No, so that "comparison" from your behalf is true :ballboy" like.

I wasnt attacking the quality of your post, I was just saying that it was pointless of you to post it. Everybody here knows that with this team that we have right now, we dont have much of a shot, but we have 3 stars, a decent bench, and a new coach, so who knows how this will all play out. Obviously the lack of youth is going to be a factor, but unlike you, im not ready to throw in the towel for the next couple of years just just yet.

MavfanAus wrote:Eddie Jones was the best FA we could pick up last season, and Juwan Howard was a great free agent signing. Donnie Nelson is a hero.

You're obviously forgetting Brandon Bass.

Posters, please play nice.

I can speak about the entire history of the mavs. The early days were very exciting from expansion. The team got better, then were a force in the West by the late 80's. The 1990's were the worst time in history. This time is so much better than the 90's it isnt even funny. The mavs were the worst team in the history of team sports for the decade of the 1990s. It cannot get worse than that. The talent sucked, the coaching sucked, the ownership sucked. Right now the talent needs to be changed but is on the whole really good but not great. The ownership despite all of the flaws is great. The coach is unknown.

I refuse to be doom and gloom before the draft has been held and with free agency still ahead of us.

If our roster is the unchanged after the summer is over then we can start being so freakin negative. I'm not foolish enough to see that the roster as currently constructed is not an elite team. However I won't say things can't change and am willing to see what the FO can do.

I agree with Mavsfoty.

I don't have much faith in the front office to get anything positive done but I still don't think it is doom and gloom time. If we go into next season with the same roster, then I will agree but the offseason is just beginning. It wouldn't surprise me if we traded for Marion a month from now just as it wouldn't surprise me if we had a top 10 pick a couple hours from now.

You have to remember that this is the first offseason where there is no pressure to keep the roster together. We aren't coming off a 67 win season. We aren't coming off a finals appearance. We aren't young. And few people think we have our core for the future. In my opinion, donnie and cuban should have nothing holding them back from making trades this year. There were a lot more things holding them back when they traded for Jason Kidd (middle of the season, chemistry issues, trading a young pg). If they were willing to do that, why not make some more trades in the offseason?

I agree.

The part about Eddie Jones is pure gold too, b/c to think the likes of Posey was out there and we went after Eddie Jones and picked up Juwan freakin Howard. Bass was the only bright spot.
Let's just say that after all these years, the FO has continually failed to address the teams two most dire needs: C (and no Erica doesn't count) and SG (Stack, undersized Jet, George, Ager, Hassell, Buckner, Griffin= fail fail fail fail fail). After getting killed by Dwade and then Baron in consecutive playoffs, you'd think that that would be addressed...but nope, last offseason's inactions closed the window. "We won 67 games blah blah blah"

Significant changes need to be made IMO. Not just swapping a few bench players here and there.

ppp000 wrote:I agree.

The part about Eddie Jones is pure gold too, b/c to think the likes of Posey was out there and we went after Eddie Jones and picked up Juwan freakin Howard. Bass was the only bright spot.
Let's just say that after all these years, the FO has continually failed to address the teams two most dire needs: C (and no Erica doesn't count) and SG (Stack, undersized Jet, George, Ager, Hassell, Buckner, Griffin= fail fail fail fail fail). After getting killed by Dwade and then Baron in consecutive playoffs, you'd think that that would be addressed...but nope, last offseason's inactions closed the window. "We won 67 games blah blah blah"

Significant changes need to be made IMO. Not just swapping a few bench players here and there.

Exactly. Yet we are suppose to assume they finally will do what's neccesary to make this team get better. I dont know how anyone can be confident. Yea, its early in the offseason and things can happen, but until they actually do, this team's future looks bad.

dirtyfilthynasty wrote:I agree with Mavsfoty.

I don't have much faith in the front office to get anything positive done but I still don't think it is doom and gloom time. If we go into next season with the same roster, then I will agree but the offseason is just beginning. It wouldn't surprise me if we traded for Marion a month from now just as it wouldn't surprise me if we had a top 10 pick a couple hours from now.

You have to remember that this is the first offseason where there is no pressure to keep the roster together. We aren't coming off a 67 win season. We aren't coming off a finals appearance. We aren't young. And few people think we have our core for the future. In my opinion, donnie and cuban should have nothing holding them back from making trades this year. There were a lot more things holding them back when they traded for Jason Kidd (middle of the season, chemistry issues, trading a young pg). If they were willing to do that, why not make some more trades in the offseason?

I think the orginal poster is like me and has less faith in the FO making any moves than the actual team as currently constructed. As Cat says, this team is much better than the 90s but it is just above average and heading south in a rapid manner. Last year we were considered a top 3 team in the west going into the season. This season we will barely be an 8.

I admire you and Foty for sticking behind the Mavs' FO but it is painfully obvious to some of the rest of us that Donnie and Mark are completely inept at constructing a championship caliber basketball team. If this team had one or maybe two areas of concern, I'd be more optimistic, but there are way too many holes and questionmarks on this team and very limited (nearly 0) available resources to improve our chances.

I hate to say it, but "Doom and Gloom" is much more realistic than thinking this team has the resources that are required (including FO knowledge) for improvement. You are simply setting yourself up for major disappointment.

ppp000 wrote:I agree.

The part about Eddie Jones is pure gold too, b/c to think the likes of Posey was out there and we went after Eddie Jones and picked up Juwan freakin Howard. Bass was the only bright spot.
Let's just say that after all these years, the FO has continually failed to address the teams two most dire needs: C (and no Erica doesn't count) and SG (Stack, undersized Jet, George, Ager, Hassell, Buckner, Griffin= fail fail fail fail fail). After getting killed by Dwade and then Baron in consecutive playoffs, you'd think that that would be addressed...but nope, last offseason's inactions closed the window. "We won 67 games blah blah blah"

Significant changes need to be made IMO. Not just swapping a few bench players here and there.

This should spark a debate, but I think the two biggest mistakes that were made by the FO was placing Terry and Dirk in situations they didn't belong. Terry was originally forced to play the PG with Fin as the SG. Once Fin left, Terry was forced to play the SG position. We have suffered miserably by this ever since.
The FO still seems to perceive Dirk as a superstar that is going to lead this team to a championship with a bunch of pud players and they have forced this upon him since Nash left. They should have been attempting to find a real leader for this team to go along with Dirk's unique skills instead of waiting for Dirk to develop and putting a bunch of pud players around him. They seemed to have discovered this too late and then made the desperate move for Kidd to fill that role. That obviously didn't work so it is time to scratch the entire Dirk project and begin a new rebuilding process before it is too late. If we still had a few trade pieces that could get Dirk a decent sidekick, I'd still have a little hope. However, we will only be able to make lateral moves at best this off season so it makes no sense to try to win with Dirk anymore imo.

Donnie and Mark...please begin the rebuild process now so that we can have some hope again!!!

Teffer10 wrote:I think the orginal poster is like me and has less faith in the FO making any moves than the actual team as currently constructed. As Cat says, this team is much better than the 90s but it is just above average and heading south in a rapid manner. Last year we were considered a top 3 team in the west going into the season. This season we will barely be an 8.

I admire you and Foty for sticking behind the Mavs' FO but it is painfully obvious to some of the rest of us that Donnie and Mark are completely inept at constructing a championship caliber basketball team. If this team had one or maybe two areas of concern, I'd be more optimistic, but there are way too many holes and questionmarks on this team and very limited (nearly 0) available resources to improve our chances.

I hate to say it, but "Doom and Gloom" is much more realistic than thinking this team has the resources that are required (including FO knowledge) for improvement. You are simply setting yourself up for major disappointment.

I by no means think the FO should be off the hook for several of their moves during the current run. But how many times in recent memory has crap turned gold and a bleak situation improved. (Nash leaves, Terry for Walker and Delk, Jamison for Harris and Stack) I just want to see what the roster looks like AFTER the summer before I freak out.

Do I think this summer is going to be harder than some in the past based on limited resources? Hell yeah.

But again the Gatorade hasn't even dried on Doc's stained shirt yet (ok so it has and sold for 55K but you see the point I'm trying to make) and I won't call the 2008-2009 a season a bust. Yet...

Thank you FO for making me look foolish.

After the draft I'm putting myself on doom status. Hopefully a trade will avoid me raising myself to doom and gloom levels.

Oh and it appears I need a new sig.

mavsfoty wrote:Thank you FO for making me look foolish.

After the draft I'm putting myself on doom status. Hopefully a trade will avoid me raising myself to doom and gloom levels.

Oh and it appears I need a new sig.

Hold on foty, it ain't ovah until it's ovah...

The Mavs have to have something up their sleeve, just waiting for the right time to pull it when all is calm. You just wait foty, just wait...

the waiting is the hardest part... i guess we are in for a looong summer...