Are we capable of signing the big FA?

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #1 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:13 pm

It's a good question. Is the Front Office capable of signing the home run hitter, big time Free Agent? I think not. No, I am not talking about Diop here. But in this case, I am talking about Magette. Let's face it, he will probably sign for the MLE somewhere else. So why not here? Is it Mark? Is it his feud with the Commish? Is it the fact Donnie focuses too much overseas and not in the country (and Toronto) where the game is played? What puts off players from signing here. If we could sign Magette and S&T for Diop, we could have a team that could be considered a finals contender. How many times has a player signed for the same amount elsewhere? Too many to count. How many 50+ win seasons has this team had? We still have Dirk in his prime, don't we? Kidd is here. We have a new coach who doesn't seem to have the same chalkboard scratching effect that the other one had. Use Dirk and Kidd as team ambassadors and definitely bring them along. Bring Coach Carlisle and have him describe in detail how using Kidd and Magette and Dirk and even Josh Howard together could be a team that rivals the Boston Celtics' Big Three. Magette could have an awesome post-Clipper career here as he could possibly contend and win championship after championship. It's all in how one does it. Show Magette that HE matters, that HE's important, that HE's the Man! Make it happen, please for goodness sake...

arkuo · Post #2 » by **arkuo** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:18 pm

reminds me of how phoenix signed nash a couple of years ago.. even amare tagged along for extra persuasive powers... hope dirk and kidd pitch in the free agent signing efforts by our FO... kidd himself would be a great free agent magnet...

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #3 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:22 pm

arkuo wrote:reminds me of how phoenix signed nash a couple of years ago.. even amare tagged along for extra persuasive powers... hope dirk and kidd pitch in the free agent signing efforts by our FO... kidd himself would be a great free agent magnet...

That's what Kidd was brought in for, to be THAT Free Agent Magnet. The FO is aware they are being slighted by the Free Agents of the league.

But what's funny is when a player is traded here, they end up loving it and they don't want to leave. The agents must be whispering in the players ears not to come here. It's the only thing I can think of...

dirtyfilthynasty · Post #4 » by **dirtyfilthynasty** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:36 pm

Darren · Post #5 » by **Darren** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:29 pm

I don't think big talent comes via free agency. I believe Diop can really contribute on both ends. I've seen some in Damp's absence last year. That's something he was capable of. But the coach killed his confidence. And he returned to his comfort zone. I expect Carlisie to unleash his potential again. He can be as big as Brandon Bass in terms of contribution.

Instead, I expect Stackhouse's contract can net us something we need before the all-star break.
If we can get Matt Barnes for Stack and a future second. I would be fine with it.

ppp000 · Post #6 » by **ppp000** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:40 pm

yeah questions I always ask. I thought Kidd was supposed to attract some big names. "everyone wants to play for Jason Kidd" blah blah

But most of those teams mentioned as frontrunners for Maggette are alll better teams than us, or younger and getting better. I can see why.

And I hope to hell, Diop is not our main signing this season. So basically it's the same ole Mavs team as in 06 except older and worse in a much more competitive West. Nothing is going to change until the major roster holes are addressed: low post scoring and SG. Especially a quality SG, not some re-tread or rookie.

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #7 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:50 pm

Boston Freakin' Globe wrote:Jul 02, 2008 10:44 AM EST
The Celtics extended a contract offer to free agent Corey Maggette on Tuesday, according to The Boston Globe.

Danny Ainge also made an offer to James Posey, but it is doubtful that Boston would be able to sign both of the players.

They reportedly offered Maggette the mid-level exception, worth roughly $5.8 million.

"I was very surprised they called. They just came off a championship," said Maggette in a phone interview.

"It's a great honor to even hear from them," Maggette added. "Hopefully, I can look at some of the options. That's a good option playing for those guys."

Via The Boston Globe

See, the Spurs are supposedly in the lead - then the Celtics make an offer - where are we? Where's Cubes, Donnie, RC, Dirksta, the Kidd, and even Josh Howard? Why aren't they sayin' "Come home to Big D and a win a Championship with us!" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #8 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:54 pm

Like it was said on another thread, "Rick Carlisle is our greatest signing of the offseason" - I was paraphrasing by the way... But the fact is it's true. Think about it, the '06 team could have won with Carlisle as coach instead of Avery. Carlisle will not get outcoached, period. That gives me a lot of peace knowing that.

Post #9 » by **catalyst** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:12 pm

I can answer this question with a question.

How many significant FAs have the mavs ever signed?

They do not want to play for Carlisle, who will be Buck Showalter in a couple of years. Players do not want to play with Soft Dirk. Kidd 3 years ago would have been a draw, but now is too old. before FAs did not want to play for Avery. We will be bottom fishers always with FAs who have not been here.

italy_23 · Post #10 » by **italy_23** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:34 pm

if you are maggette where would you sign? money is no reason cause everyone offers the MLE.
for me it would be that order:
1.orlando; I still have a house there and consider orlando my home. besides the team has a lot of potential, playing with howard, hedo, lewis, nelson should be a lot of fun and in a few years down this team can easily win it all
2.boston; they just come off a championship, what more do you want? instant contender and playing time is there. I could be a major contributor to a championship team. why should I pass that by?
3.san antonio; duncan, ginobili, parker and me? it's even an odd-year! that team is scary.
4.dallas

if the lakers trade odom for a good point than maggs could play the 3 for them with gasol and bynum at 4 and 5. that would make the lakers #1 on the list for me.

so I guess it's a long way to get maggette to dallas. you cant really blame anyone, there are just a few other teams that are more appealing

hph6203 · Post #11 » by **hph6203** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:39 pm

1. Free agency is still young this year, so don't jump to conclusions. There's no guarantee he signs for the MLE, and there's no guarantee he goes to the Spurs or Celtics (Spurs are more likely, Celtics don't have the room at SG or SF to give him significant minutes).

2. How many "big FA" sign for the MLE? None to not many. The only reason Maggette may sign for the MLE is a complete lack of cap room, and he doesn't have Larry Bird rights to fall back on.

JES12 · Post #12 » by **JES12** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:09 pm

Probably not, but I will be jumping for joy if we can get a decent to avg swing player like JR Smith, Azubuike, or Maggette (please, no Ricky Davis).

dirtyfilthynasty · Post #13 » by **dirtyfilthynasty** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:15 pm

Why? do you think Jr Smith could be the final piece?

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #14 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:19 pm

JES12 wrote:Probably not, but I will be jumping for joy if we can get a decent to avg swing player like JR Smith, Azubuike, or Maggette (please, no Ricky Davis).

Azubuike is first on my secondary list

Maggette is first on my primary list

JR Smith is moving up

I value R. Davis much more than you do JES. He's redeemed himself long ago.

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #15 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:20 pm

dirtyfilthynasty wrote:Why? do you think Jr Smith could be the final piece?

He could be as close as we could come to achieving it and that's not a bad thing.

JES12 · Post #16 » by **JES12** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:25 pm

JR Smith >>> Wright, Foster, Green, Stack, Jones

Answer? Maybe not, but a great improvement.

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #17 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 7:49 pm

JES12 wrote:JR Smith >>> Wright, Foster, Green, Stack, Jones

Answer? Maybe not, but a great improvement.

Maggette > R. Davis > Azubuike > JR Smith

The bottom line is ya gotta love anyone named JR that ends up playing for a Dallas team. :rofl:

The player we most likely are able to acquire out of those four is Azubuike especially if Golden State signs Brand. They will be running low on money after that acquisition...

dirkforpres · Post #18 » by **dirkforpres** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:06 pm

One reason we cant sign a significant free agent is because we are always way above the salary cap. Players always say they would like to play in Dallas, but there are always teams that have been able to outbid us or have more to offer, like starting jobs, etc.

dirtyfilthynasty · Post #19 » by **dirtyfilthynasty** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:09 pm

your_dallas_mavericks wrote:
dirtyfilthynasty wrote:Why? do you think Jr Smith could be the final piece?

He could be as close as we could come to achieving it and that's not a bad thing.

If he isn't the final piece then whats the point? Are we just signing players to field a team or are we trying to win a championship? Can he assist in a championship run or can he assist in a rebuilding effort? That seems to be all that matters to me. IMO, he doesn't do either.

dirtyfilthynasty · Post #20 » by **dirtyfilthynasty** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:13 pm

dirkforpres wrote:One reason we cant sign a significant free agent is because we are always way above the salary cap. Players always say they would like to play in Dallas, but there are always teams that have been able to outbid us or have more to offer, like starting jobs, etc.

Not quite the case this year. Everyone knows that the SG position is open and very few teams can offer more than the Mavs. I just think our front office is too stupid/lazy/arrogant/incompetent to get something done.