Overrating the Mav players?

[shspg5]

I read most of the posts on here everyday and it seems to me that a lot, probably most members on this board really seem to overrate these players. I saw people mentioing that if Howard is mentioned by Houston, McGrady had to be mentioned. I about threw up. Terry is Eddie House with playing time. He has no handle or passing for a PG and is too little to be a starting 2 guard. Howard cannot shoot or dribble well either, and last season only played above average defense. I always see on this board people saying the Mavs have shooters.... where. Kidd? He is a good spot shooter, Dirk rarely shoots threes and isnt very consistent anymore anyway. The Mavs need shooters. Jones/George/Stack/Wright all shoot poorly and inconsitently. A shooter must be grabbed, a la James Jones or landed in a deal for Howard, who IMO must be moved. He is a cancerous offensive player who is a true blackhole, like Melo and D Howard without the talent, who never passes the ball. How hard is it to score 20 a game when you play 40 minutes and never pass. He must go for whatever Dallas can get. Kidd made Kittles a very effective player so even if its a package for less the value it must be done

[Sken]

I'd rather not do anything than trade Howard for a downgrade... The shooters on the team are Dirk and JET. JET can work as a 2-guard with Kidd because he of JK's size and ability to cover most SG's. I'd be more comfortable with a better SG starting but otherwise IMO don't make a move for the sake of "it must be done."

You do a deal when it makes sense, not when it creates a hole on the team already struggling to put out a starting 5 the caliber we are accustomed to seeing. That is why you see McGrady's name attached to Howard, not because somebody believes the two are an equal trade: They are attached because T-Mac is the only player Houston has that would address the holes on the roster IF we trade Josh Howard.

"No Deal Howie!"

[mffl_14]

I agree that people do tend to overate some of the players we have but what fans dont do that. What I will take issue with is Jason Terry being compared to an Eddie House with playing time. You have got to be kidding me. I dont think Terry is the greatest player ever but he was a starting guard that got this team to the finals. Eddie House is a scrub who has bounced all over the league as bench warmer and only got a spot with the Celtics because they had to fill hole's. I'm frustrated with this team but I've got better sense than that to compare those two to each other !

[dtownmavs41]

Yes I agree for the most part we overrate the players here but Terry is no Eddie House. Terry is more comparable to Ben Gordon. I don't know how many Rockets games that you get to watch but I would say that I see around 35-40 of them every year and Tracy McGrady is the most overrated player in the NBA. Yes he has more value than Howard, but I wouldn't want him on our team. McGrady will never do anything in the NBA unless he is the 3rd or 4th option on a team in about 4 years. I think we need to trade Howard for Artest or maybe Prince if we are looking to get better defensively. Also Dirk is a very good shooter, his 3% went down because he took less and had to throw some up at the end of the shot clock because no one on our team can create their own shot except for Dirk. Terry is a very good spot shooter but not as good when he has to dribble a few times and shoot.

[TheLSUMaverick]

Dude you are freaking (Please Use More Appropriate Word)!!!Howard is one of the best SF in the league right
now buddy why the hell would we deal him for the sake of getting him out of here.
He can handle the ball pretty danm well and shoots the ball too. Yes he does need
to give it up a little more and take it to the hoop more often but he is still a very strong
piece. The reason Howard collapsed toward the end of last year is because we had a
coach who collapsed after the trade and didn't know what to do with any players anymore.
I agree with you about George/Jones/Wright are inconsistent and thats why i don't
]want them on this team. Howard was an all-star two years ago and i heavily expect
him to return to that capability with Carlisle at the Helm. The only way i see Howard
leaving is if we get another all star calliber player in exchange. And as far as Terry goes...
I don't know if you realized but Terry led this team the the NBA finals buddy.
Yes i think he should not start at the 2 he should come off the bench for kidd
and whoever starts the 2 who we will have there...IDK but that is the crisis right
now. So run along you Hypocritical a$$ "fan." Nobody wants you here.

[JES12]

Dude you are freaking (Please Use More Appropriate Word)!!!Howard is one of the best SF in the league

I'd rather not do anything than trade Howard for a downgrade... You do a deal when it makes sense, not when it creates a hole on the team already struggling to put out a starting 5 the

Terry is no Eddie House. Terry is more comparable to Ben Gordon...Tracy McGrady is the most overrated player in the NBA. Yes he has more value than Howard, but I wouldn't want him on our team. McGrady will never do anything in the NBA unless he is the 3rd or 4th option on a team in about 4 years

Terry is not as talented as Gordon, but his team chemistry is hands down better making them close to equal players.

And LOL at the James Jones fan. Jones not only plays on one side of the court, but he can only do one thing on that one side of the court. I would not spend part of the MLE on him, much less trade Howard


/thread before idiotic trolls take over.

[dtownmavs41]

Ben Gordon
6'3
18.6 ppg
3.1 rpg
3.0 apg
.8 spg
.1 bpg
.434 fg%
.908 ft %
.410 3p%
31.8 mpg
14.8 shots per game

Jason Terry
6'2
15.5 ppg
2.5 rpg
3.2 apg
1.1 spg
.2 bpg
.467 fg%
.857 ft%
.375 3p%
31.5 mpg
12.3 shots per game

[dirkforpres]

So just so we're on the same page, you want to get rid of Howard, but acquire JAMES JONES? Thats insane. I am hoping for a Howard trade, but I dont want to get rid of him that bad.

[Realmavsman]

I read most of the posts on here everyday and it seems to me that a lot, probably most members on this board really seem to overrate these players. Terry is Eddie House with playing time. A shooter must be grabbed, a la James Jones or landed in a deal for Howard, who IMO must be moved.

First off, every team overrates their own players.

Now let me start with where you first lost all credibility: "Terry is Eddie House with playing time". This has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have read on the message boards. House is not even in the same zip code as Terry. Terry has been a team leader his entire career. He is better than House is almost every category that basketball has to offer. House is a career spare who is nice for a change of pace off the bench and nothing more. Wows dude, you are out of your mind here.

Now the next statement which makes it clear that you don't understand basketball: "A shooter must be grabbed, a la James Jones or landed in a deal for Howard, who IMO must be moved." You are aware that James Jones for his career averages 7.0 ppg and shoots 40% from the floor? Yes he is a decent 3-pt shooter at near 40% but what that means to me is that he shoots everything else at 40% as well. And 40% shooting for 2-pointers sucks. And near as I can tell he does not do anything else particularly well. He is crappy rebounder for a guy 6'8".

So perhaps you are the one who overrates players. Clearly you think Eddie House and James Jones are far better than they actually are.

[JES12]

Ben Gordon
6'3
18.6 ppg
3.1 rpg
3.0 apg
.8 spg
.1 bpg
.434 fg%
.908 ft %
.410 3p%
31.8 mpg
14.8 shots per game

Jason Terry
6'2
15.5 ppg
2.5 rpg
3.2 apg
1.1 spg
.2 bpg
.467 fg%
.857 ft%
.375 3p%
31.5 mpg
12.3 shots per game

I'm not saying they are not close, but Gordon had a down year on a dysfunctional team all playing selfish ball for contracts and even causing the termination of Skiles.

Talent wise, Gordon > Terry...2007-08 Gordon = Terry
Leadership, Terry >>>>>>>>> Gordon

For my team, Terry > Gordon

[Teffer10]

I'd rather not do anything than trade Howard for a downgrade... The shooters on the team are Dirk and JET. JET can work as a 2-guard with Kidd because he of JK's size and ability to cover most SG's. I'd be more comfortable with a better SG starting but otherwise IMO don't make a move for the sake of "it must be done."

You do a deal when it makes sense, not when it creates a hole on the team already struggling to put out a starting 5 the caliber we are accustomed to seeing. That is why you see McGrady's name attached to Howard, not because somebody believes the two are an equal trade: They are attached because T-Mac is the only player Houston has that would address the holes on the roster IF we trade Josh Howard.

"No Deal Howie!"

I agree with most of this because it doesn't make sense to fill one hole and create another.

The one part that I disagree with is Terry at SG with Kidd. Although better than Harris/Terry, it is not the backcourt duo that will carry us through the POs. If Terry had any trade value whatsoever, I'd want to see him gone in a heartbeat. However, he is too talented to just dump for financial purposes so we are stuck with him.

I do agree with the original poster that Mav fans overrate their players. I just read where someone stated that Howard was equal to Marion.

There are certainly some real homers on this board.

[italy_23]

I think every fanbase overvalues their players, that's natural.