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C - Diop / Damp / ??
PF - Dirk / Bass / Singleton
SF - Nocioni / AW / RAT
SG - JoHo / Green / EJ
PG - Kidd / JET / JJB

EJ must go as well

I think noc has a real bad contract but what the hell. talentwise he is an upgrade and could fit carlisle's system, good defender and nice shooter.

Chicago is looking for Hughes for a tough big man. Damp is mentioned as one of them.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=224618

Should we do it?

Darren, you do reallize trades have to be agreed upon by both teams. All your trades are lopsided.

Nocioni still has 5 years left on his contract so there no way I see Cuban doing that trade.

Dentor wrote:Darren, you do reallize trades have to be agreed upon by both teams. All your trades are lopsided.

Yeah, there is no way Dallas touches Hughes unless they add some extra incentive....and Nocioni ain't it.

We want over 63% FG, not under 39% and we also want the cheaper player by 3 mil.

Well, that's pretty easy decision.

Dentor wrote:Darren, you do reallize trades have to be agreed upon by both teams. All your trades are lopsided.

Well, some trades are lopsided recently.
e.g.
Kwame Brown, Crittenton, and a late first for Pau Gasol
2nd rounder for Marcus Camby
Bobby Jackson and a late first for Ron Artest

It's just that we lose all the opportunities.
Not that, I don't know it have to be agreed upon by teams.
But in this league, lopsided trades do happen.
Why don't we try to swing one?
For the Bulls, they signed Deng. There's no point in keeping Noc around (thanks to his contract).
Not many team is willing to take him coz he's not as young or contract-friendly.
But still, he can start on some (contending) teams.

The Hughes for Damp is not proposed by me. I just copy the link above.
In fact, Hughes could be a huge expiring next season. And the Bulls need sizes up front.
If we want to dump Damp, it's a great opportunity.

Hughes, with all his faults, will still win the spot against Green, Wright, EJ, and so on.
Then, we sign Mutombo and J. Williams (who are unlikely re-signed coz they've too many guys).
We can still contend and at the same time start the rebuilding process in-between.

C - Diop / Mutombo / J.Williams
PF - Dirk / Bass / Singleton
SF - JoHo / Stack / RAT
SG - Hughes / Green / AW
PG - Kidd / JET / JJB

Darren wrote:In fact, Hughes could be a huge expiring next season.

So is Damp, and he's 100x much more useful and important than Hughes.

italy_23 wrote:I think noc has a real bad contract but what the hell. talentwise he is an upgrade and could fit carlisle's system, good defender and nice shooter.

So why would Chicago do it?

I don't want Noc's contract.

SoupOrSonics wrote:

italy_23 wrote:I think noc has a real bad contract but what the hell. talentwise he is an upgrade and could fit carlisle's system, good defender and nice shooter.

So why would Chicago do it?

salary

They are looking for Brad Miller-Nocioni straight up. Good Luck. The Kings are jammed at 2/3.
I don't think they would trade Miller for another swingman.

Stack for Nocioni is a good deal talent wise if Cuban doesn't choke on the contract. I've never felt all that good about Howard at the 2, though. As far as I know, he's always played forward, his ball handling skills aren't really all that great, etc. etc. etc.

The Hughes for Damp deal, I really don't like that. Don't like Hughes, and you never trade big for small.

Noc for Stackhouse would be a good deal for the Bulls, ICLO. Nocioni is a very good role player and would be outstanding on the Mavs off the bench. He can shoot from anywhere on the floor and will attack the basket ferociously at times. He rebounds for a 3 very well and while his defense isn't great, he's a very willing and pesky defender who gets into people's heads.

His contract is long but it's not bad at all. It's $8 mil this year but declines from there. LINK

Stack for Noc saves the Bulls $1 mil immediately and much more over the length of the deal. If Cliff Levingston was in charge, he'd but out Stackhouse and allow him to re-sign back with you guys if he wanted. Then we'd buy out Hughes as well and use the money saved to re-sign Gordon:

1. Rose, Hinrich
2. Hinrich, Gordon, Sefolosha
3. Deng, Sefolosha
4. Thomas, Gooden, Deng
5. Noah, Gooden, Gray

This trade works on ESPN Trade Machine.

Damp and Stackhouse for Larry Hughes and Andres Nocioni. We could pick up Francisco Elson up as a FA, or someone to back up Diop. Against smaller rosters we could play Dirk or Bass at the 5.

Chicago would do this because Stack and Damp at a combined $18 Million, only have two years left on their contracts. That puts them in great position to pick up Wade in 2010.

Picture this:

Kidd - Hughes - Barea
Jet - Green
JHo - Nocioni
Dirk - Bass
Diop - Elson

That would be a title contending squad. Kidd, Hughes, Howard, Nocioni, Bass, Diop and Elson are pretty good defenders. We have scoring too with Jet, Dirk, Green, Howard, Nocioni and maybe Bass.

This makes the most sense for Chicago and Dallas.

jlp0807 wrote:This trade works on ESPN Trade Machine.

Damp and Stackhouse for Larry Hughes and Andres Nocioni. We could pick up Francisco Elson up as a FA, or someone to back up Diop. Against smaller rosters we could play Dirk or Bass at the 5.

Chicago would do this because Stack and Damp at a combined $18 Million, only have two years left on their contracts. That puts them in great position to pick up Wade in 2010.

Picture this:

Kidd - Hughes - Barea
Jet - Green
JHo - Nocioni
Dirk - Bass
Diop - Elson

That would be a title contending squad. Kidd, Hughes, Howard, Nocioni, Bass, Diop and Elson are pretty good defenders. We have scoring too with Jet, Dirk, Green, Howard, Nocioni and maybe Bass.

This makes the most sense for Chicago and Dallas.

Bulls fan here. I think the great majority of Bulls fans would do this trade. We really don't have room for Nocioni anymore--we'd hate to lose him, but we have a glut at SF and this would provide a little caproom to sign Gordon. Nocioni would fit well with your team. He really works hard and plays with a ton of energy and toughness. He's got a good outside shot and I think he's exactly the kind of guy the Mavs need. He can also play the 4 spot when you want to go small. He's a good rebounder as well. He turns 29 in November, so you'll still get a few more years out of him, too. Someone call Cuban!!

We need Damp more than Hughes. Without Damp, would you guys still do Stack for Noc straight up?

I would do Stack for Nocioni straight up for sure. It helps the Bulls salary-wise long term to sign Wade. It helps the Mavs because Nocioni is a great bench player. He is solid on D and has a nice shot.

The problem, is that the Bulls really need a big guy. Rag on Damp all you want, but he may be a top 10 Center in the leauge. Take a look around the League. There arent that many quality Centers.

Damp and Stack for Hughes and Noc gives both teams what they need. If we think that JJ Barea is the back up we need for Kidd we are kidding ourselves (pun intended). Hughes is a solid backup.

The only problem is leaving the Mavs without a backup Center. We could get one on the cheap, and play Dirk or Bass at the 5 against smaller lineups.

The more I think about this trade the more it makes sense for us.

Too bad Nellie is in China, Carlisle is on vaca, and Cubes is trying to buy the Cubs. Who is running the team?

Done. I'd do Stack for Noc straight up. We're in contending mode. Ask if Bonzi and Zo would want to be a Mavs. And call it an offseason.

C - Diop / Damp / Zo
PF - Dirk / Bass / Singleton
SF - Noc / Green / AW
SG - JoHo / Bonzi / EJ
PG - Kidd / JET / JJB

That's a solid roster for contending. Rayshawn Terry and Shan Foster can earn their money in Europe. We'll take another look at them next offseason.