For anyone that thinks we need a back-up point guard

littlemav · Post #1 » by **littlemav** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 3:42 am

Have you guys forgotten that we have JET? He is MUCH BETTER than an average back-up. Plus barea is a nice change of place third string. We need to focus on getting wing players

sweet daddy · Post #2 » by **sweet daddy** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 4:16 am

littlemav wrote:Have you guys forgotten that we have JET? He is MUCH BETTER than an average back-up. Plus barea is a nice change of place third string. We need to focus on getting wing players

Thank you. We've got a $10 million dollar player in JET, and when I see people post trades for a shooting guard and create a projected lineup, they only show him as the backup sg. How crazy would that be? If we're gonna keep him (which I'd like to see), we better play him 30 minutes a game, and if we're gonna play anyone else at sg, that means he's going to be playing some point guard. Well, since he's got a career 5 assist average, and his assist to turnover ratio is an outstanding 2.3 to 1 that wouldn't be so bad, would it? He would probably be the best backup point guard in the league.

By the way, on a personal note may I say how aggravating it is to FINALLY get 2,000 posts and not make realgm status. Just my luck that they change the categories just before I get there. 8-)

mavsfoty · Post #3 » by **mavsfoty** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 4:55 am

Agreed. But making a play for Ben Gordon should be an option.

Pointguard01 · Post #4 » by **Pointguard01** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 6:29 am

I think its obviously Terry is the backup PG. Barea obviously is 3rd string, but I dont think Dallas is really looking for a backup. Keith McLeod was simpely a veteren to play with the summer league guys and give them experience. He is a 3rd stringer and since Dallas already signed Barea guarneteed, I dont think McLeod was ever really a guy the Mavs were "planning" on keeping, unless he all of a sudden got better. He didn't.

JES12 · Post #5 » by **JES12** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 7:14 am

Only a few rouge Mav fans claim we have a need fr a backup PG. Those in the know agree with you.

JES12 · Post #6 » by **JES12** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 7:21 am

mavsfoty wrote:Agreed. But making a play for Ben Gordon should be an option.

That's not going to happen, nor should it, for the following reasons:

1) Gordon would require at least 10 mil 1st year, 6 yr contract, more likely $11 mil
2) He is way to redundant to Terry talent wise to have both on the same team, meaning Terry would have to go.
3) He has a history of bad attitude and terry has a history of great attitude
4) Due to BYC issues, it would be a very difficult trade to match salary...we would have to add all of our min players not digned this off-season (meaning Bass)
5) Chicago would want some incentive (like Bass) on top of Terry and in no way does Gordon merit such a trade.
6) Gordon is not that much of an upgrade, IF ANY, to Terry. Gordon has over twice as many turn overs and the rest of the stats look like this:

Darren · Post #7 » by **Darren** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 2:10 pm

JES12 wrote:
mavsfoty wrote:Agreed. But making a play for Ben Gordon should be an option.
That's not going to happen, nor should it, for the following reasons:

1) Gordon would require at least 10 mil 1st year, 6 yr contract, more likely $11 mil
2) He is way to redundant to Terry talent wise to have both on the same team, meaning Terry would have to go.
3) He has a history of bad attitude and terry has a history of great attitude
4) Due to BYC issues, it would be a very difficult trade to match salary...we would have to add all of our min players not digned this off-season (meaning Bass)
5) Chicago would want some incentive (like Bass) on top of Terry and in no way does Gordon merit such a trade.
6) Gordon is not that much of an upgrade, IF ANY, to Terry. Gordon has over twice as many turn overs and the rest of the stats look like this:

First of all, Ben Gordon is the leader on Chicago roster. He's a fierce competitor and great locker room presence. I can't think of any history of bad attitude at all.

Second, why would we want Ben Gordon? Just for the sake of scenario. Both players play the same way. And newcomers need time to accomodate to the new system. It's not wise to take such a risk. Jason Terry is still a great combo guard in 2-PG system. Unfortunately, we lose Devin Harris right now. He can consistently draw a lot of fouls around the basket. That's a real threat in playoff court. Tony Parker knows it very well. He laughed at the whole J-Kidd thing.

italy_23 · Post #8 » by **italy_23** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 3:41 pm

the OP said it all. the MBT has to get help at the 2

mffl_14 · Post #9 » by **mffl_14** » Mon Aug 4, 2008 3:59 pm

I dont mind JET backing up everynow and then but overall you need a guy who can spread the floor and make everyone else's game better. I think Terry is solid and I love him on this team but we are no where near deep on this team in PG talent beyond Kidd. Barea is the most over rated player on this roster. Change of pace ? What that means is when we are blowing people out or we are getting our butt's kicked he enters the game. I dont know if Terry for Gordon is the trade for us, but having a younger player with better stats than Terry and he has been a big leader on his team, I think if we were re building the player to have would be Gordon.

italy_23 · Post #10 » by **italy_23** » Tue Aug 5, 2008 6:54 am

yes, but chicago wouldnt do a terry-gordon trade. just dont see it happening

Jase · Post #11 » by **Jase** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:09 am

Jes, I am glad to see that you are not one of these people who wants to go after Gordon because he is potentially available. Your points were all valid, especially the idea that Chicago would want player (Bass) added into the deal, and if that were the case, it would make no sense for Dallas. Also, his attitude is a far cry from Terry's, and character definitely counts for something.

mavsfoty · Post #12 » by **mavsfoty** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:23 am

I didnt mean to imply Terry should be traded for Gordon. I'm a HUGE Terry fan.

Teffer10 · Post #13 » by **Teffer10** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:28 am

I like Terry in the right situation but if he is required to play 30+ mpg, we can expect the same results in the POs as we have for the past 2 seasons.
We better hope that backup PG is his only role this season or we don't have a shot at anything in the post season.

Rand10 · Post #14 » by **Rand10** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:17 am

If we only play our 3rd leading scoring at backup pg we won't even make the playoffs. Unless we can trade him for an upgrade, we need Terry. You can't just cut him out of the rotation because he's not a natural 2.

Teffer10 · Post #15 » by **Teffer10** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:27 am

Rand10 wrote:If we only play our 3rd leading scoring at backup pg we won't even make the playoffs. Unless we can trade him for an upgrade, we need Terry. You can't just cut him out of the rotation because he's not a natural 2.

Here is my point Rand, if Terry is playing 30+ minutes a game, that indicates the FO has failed miserably again at getting Dirk the proper support. Nothing against Terry because he has been a key contributer to our regular season successes over the past several years but if this team relies on him to be a heavy minute player, we will be very average at best. Terry should be to this team what NVE was to our 2003 team and nothing more. Any greater role wil result in a 1st round exit again in the POs.

italy_23 · Post #16 » by **italy_23** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:56 am

have to agree with teffer again.

JES12 · Post #17 » by **JES12** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:40 am

Teffer10 wrote:Here is my point Rand, if GORDON is playing 30+ minutes a game, that indicates the FO has failed miserably again at getting Dirk the proper support. Nothing against GORDON because he WILL BE a key contributer to our regular season successes over the NEXT several years but if this team relies on him to be a heavy minute player, we will be very average at best. GORDON should be to this team what NVE was to our 2003 team and nothing more. Any greater role wil result in a 1st round exit again in the POs.

JUST AS TRUE if we traded for Gordon. Also true with Gilbert Arenas, one of the most over-rated and over paid players in the NBA that will never win a championship as a starter.

Rand10 · Post #18 » by **Rand10** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:21 pm

Teffer10 wrote:Here is my point Rand, if Terry is playing 30+ minutes a game, that indicates the FO has failed miserably again at getting Dirk the proper support. Nothing against Terry because he has been a key contributer to our regular season successes over the past several years but if this team relies on him to be a heavy minute player, we will be very average at best. Terry should be to this team what NVE was to our 2003 team and nothing more. Any greater role wil result in a 1st round exit again in the POs.

I agree that Dirk needs more help, but I'm more worried about the lack of offense/inconsistent play we're getting from the 1 and 5, and whether Howard's head is screwed on right, than I'm worried about Terry. He's come up pretty big for us as a heavy minute player in the past (the Houston series and in the finals where he was our most consistent player).

Teffer10 · Post #19 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:39 am

Rand10 wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:I agree that Dirk needs more help, but I'm more worried about the lack of offense/inconsistent play we're getting from the 1 and 5, and whether Howard's head is screwed on right, than I'm worried about Terry. He's come up pretty big for us as a heavy minute player in the past (the Houston series and in the finals where he was our most consistent player).

Rand, you are making my point by defending Terry. The fact that we are getting nothing from our 1 and 5 as well as inconstent play from Howard is why we always have to defer to Terry as one of our goto guys. The FO can't seem to see that or address the huge problem that we have with the #2 or #3 guys on the team. In fact, the #2 guy is non-existent. Our biggest problem imo is that we constantly have to rely on our #1 (Dirk) and #4 (Terry) guys to carry this team.

I'm not knocking Terry in any way, I'm only stating the true problems that I see with this team which is the constant reliance on Terry as being one of our main goto guys. That is a clear and obvious indication to me that the FO has not provided the team with the proper resources to accomplish the ultimate task of winning a championship.
It is now too late to correct their bone-headed moves and non-moves so that is why I keep harping on taking the rebuild route.

Teffer10 · Post #20 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:15 am

JES12 wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:Here is my point Rand, if GORDON is playing 30+ minutes a game, that indicates the FO has failed miserably again at getting Dirk the proper support. Nothing against GORDON because he WILL BE a key contributer to our regular season successes over the NEXT several years but if this team relies on him to be a heavy minute player, we will be very average at best. GORDON should be to this team what NVE was to our 2003 team and nothing more. Any greater role wil result in a 1st round exit again in the POs.
JUST AS TRUE if we traded for Gordon. Also true with Gilbert Arenas, one of the most over-rated and over paid players in the NBA that will never win a championship as a starter.

I hope you are not implying that I would welcome a trade for Gordon. The Mavs have no need for another undersized SG. My argument is simply stating that Terry's role needs to be limited to a backup PG. You already know my opinion about Terry as our SG...especially in a starting role.

If we trade for a SG, that player needs to be 6'5" minimum and capable of playing a little D. Otherwise, there is no need to trade Terry.