I recommend thee... Management

kaskoosek · Post #1 » by **kaskoosek** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:29 am

I know most agree with me. Getting gerald green for almost nothing is a great move by management.

They have made a couple of mistakes (trade for kidd) they have partially redeemed themselves.

What do you think were missed opportunities.

I personally believe we should have targeted either Darko or Kwame. I know a lot of you disagree with me.

JES12 · Post #2 » by **JES12** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:50 am

Target Darko when? When he was a FA? We did not have the money to offer him. Trade? If so, with whom? Personally, Darko makes to many boneheaded mistakes to be a key piece of a team hoping to win a title. I'd rather have Dampier right now. Once we start to rebuild, yeah, I take Darko.

Kwame? Why? If our MLE was to be used on a center, I'm glad we got Diop.

I think Pietrus (5.30 mil), James Posey (5.58), JR Smith (4.99), Maurice Evans (2.5 mil), Matt Barnes (vet min), Najera (3.25) are all ones that we missed out on for the salary the they settled for. However, if Green, Wright or Williams establish themselves as a starting caliber swingman, then I'd change my tune and be happy they all did not sign with us.

The Kidd trade is beyond redeemable unless we win a championship, have him resign and win another one next year.

Not using our MLE last year on a Mo Pete type player was a mistake, but that's long done and over. Signing Jones would have been a mistake if we did not do the Williams trade.

etopn23 · Post #3 » by **etopn23** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:46 am

Where did that game from Green come from? Holy ****.

Darren · Post #4 » by **Darren** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:56 am

Gerald Green is exceptionally talent offensively. I really enjoy his fantastic dunks on Hawes. As far as I heard from Rick, he's not even closed to that level defensively. He sounds like a lesser case Michael Jordan. I'm glad we take him for vet min.

His potential is higher than Wright, I think. But he needs serious effort at the defensive end. Otherwise, he won't be a key piece when the playoff come. If he can't stay in front of his man, I am not comfortable to let him get off the bench against serious contender.

Of course, I like him more than Stack. I hate those forced shots and poor shot selectons.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #5 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:55 am

JES12 wrote:The Kidd trade is beyond redeemable unless we win a championship, have him resign and win another one next year.

uhh...the Mavs have to win TWO titles for you to get over Devin Harris? Really? REALLY? So Kidd leads us to a title this year and you'll still be moping about no Harris?

JES12 · Post #6 » by **JES12** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:07 pm

from_ro_to_dirk wrote:
JES12 wrote:The Kidd trade is beyond redeemable unless we win a championship, have him resign and win another one next year.

uhh...the Mavs have to win TWO titles for you to get over Devin Harris? Really? REALLY? So Kidd leads us to a title this year and you'll still be moping about no Harris?

Yes, because Harris was already the better player and 10 years younger. Kidd was already declining and will not be in the league much longer. Plus, we have to win enough championships to get past the draft picks we gave up to aquire him. We should have been the team receiving the picks, not giving them. Thos picks we gave up prevents us from rebuilding the mess after Kidd and the picks we did not get leave a net trade of Harris for nothing.

sefant77 · Post #7 » by **sefant77** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:37 pm

JES12 wrote:
Kwame? Why? If our MLE was to be used on a center, I'm glad we got Diop.

I think Pietrus (5.30 mil), James Posey (5.58), JR Smith (4.99), Maurice Evans (2.5 mil), Matt Barnes (vet min), Najera (3.25) are all ones that we missed out on for the salary the they settled for. However, if Green, Wright or Williams establish themselves as a starting caliber swingman, then I'd change my tune and be happy they all did not sign with us.

Well, the signing of Diop was good, Posey was the only player i maybe would like more (but having then just Damp/Bass for Center this season wouldnt make me sleep good). The fault was to give Diop in the Kidd-Trade. A major fault. Then we could sign him without the MLE and would have a shot on Posey/Pietrus (but remember: both got good money and will see good minutes/starter jobs, so we dont know IF we would have get them anyway).

And with Diop we can shop next Season Damps contract with no hard feelings (last year of Damp is not guaranteed and he cant make the stats he need). And with the FA class of 2010 knocking on the door next season i can see the potential of a nice steal with Damp´s contract.

mffl_14 · Post #8 » by **mffl_14** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:16 pm

[/quote]Yes, because Harris was already the better player and 10 years younger. Kidd was already declining and will not be in the league much longer. Plus, we have to win enough championships to get past the draft picks we gave up to aquire him. We should have been the team receiving the picks, not giving them. Thos picks we gave up prevents us from rebuilding the mess after Kidd and the picks we did not get leave a net trade of Harris for nothing.[/quote]

I realize this is an arguement that really doesn't matter but if you realistically were still upset about the trade if Kidd led the Mavs to a championship but not another one, then your out of your mind. Yes more championships would be great but we have seen how hard it is to just get to the finals. I like Devin Harris alot, overall it's a bad trade up to this point especially considering the draft picks but if it did lead to a championship then it makes it all worth it. Devin is young yes but it's not like he was leading this team to a championship either and NJ dropped off the map even more than what they were before Kidd left. Devin is good, yeah he'll probably get better, but lets not over rate the guy.

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #9 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:24 pm

well said mffl. i was gonna say the same until i scrolled down and read your post. Yes the trade did not work last year but lets see now that we are actually utilising Kidd to his strengths. Also, yes Harris is good but he CAN be replaced. There are any number of PGs out there in the league who are comparable. You may not get the same amount of D that Harris would bring from most, but you can get more passing, 3 point shooting etc. The guy was never going to be an all-star, just a good player and the Mavs can find that in 2 years when they have cap room out the ass.

Post #10 » by **DDansby123** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:14 am

The Kidd trade shouldn't be judged on championships, because it's clear now that was never going to happen anyway. Rather, that trade ought to be judged on whether it ultimately helps us rebuild quicker and more effectively. If it does, it will be well worth it, IMO....though I don't want to rehash that entire debate from months ago. What's done is done.

As for Harris, why is everyone assuming he'll blossom into something we'll regret trading? Personally, I think he's got that potential, but if he never achieves it, and we never win a championship, won't the Kidd trade look infinitely better? Perhaps we'll be happy we got out of Harris' contract. You never know.

Regardless, we need to look forward, not backward.

JES12 · Post #11 » by **JES12** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:01 am

DDansby123 wrote:The Kidd trade shouldn't be judged on championships, because it's clear now that was never going to happen anyway. Rather, that trade ought to be judged on whether it ultimately helps us rebuild quicker and more effectively. If it does, it will be well worth it, IMO....though I don't want to rehash that entire debate from months ago. What's done is done.

As for Harris, why is everyone assuming he'll blossom into something we'll regret trading? Personally, I think he's got that potential, but if he never achieves it, and we never win a championship, won't the Kidd trade look infinitely better? Perhaps we'll be happy we got out of Harris' contract. You never know.

Regardless, we need to look forward, not backward.

That bolded statment is so "clear"ly WRONG!

Assuming? Harris was already there!!!!!!!!!

But I agree with your last sentance, WE do need to look forwad....knowing that the Kidd trade is not reedemable and live with it.

TheLSUMaverick · Post #12 » by **TheLSUMaverick** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:26 am

JES you should change your picture back to stockton man i always recognized you from that picture and this new one is kinda lame compared to the stockton one.

Post #13 » by **catalyst** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:55 pm

MavsFan41 wrote:JES you should change your picture back to stockton man i always recognized you from that picture and this new one is kinda lame compared to the stockton one.

That is on top of being mavs2007 before changing to JES.

Captain_Obvious · Post #14 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:03 pm

What does JES (12) mean to begin with?

JES12 · Post #15 » by **JES12** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:21 pm

MavsFan41 wrote:JES you should change your picture back to stockton man i always recognized you from that picture and this new one is kinda lame compared to the stockton one.

I will after the Iverson thing passes over.

Captain_Obvious wrote:What does JES (12) mean to begin with?

My initials and my jersey number back in the days. I grew up idolizing Stockton, so I chose his jersey #. At the time, we were the same weight & height...now I'm fat!

Deus · Post #16 » by **Deus** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:28 pm

Well, Kidd has played better. Look at these stats.

In the last 25 games last season the Nets went 9-16. Harris averaged 15 points and 6.5 assists a game.

The Mavs went 13-12. Kidd averaged 10 points and 14 assists a game.

I think I like Kidd better. His more of a point guard while Harris is still learning how to be a point guard. The Mavs don't need developmental players, they need guys who know how to win now.