Another 50 Win Season?

MainEv3nt · Post #1 » by **MainEv3nt** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:32 am

yall think we can pull it off?

JES12 · Post #2 » by **JES12** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:02 pm

Sure...but can we get past the first round?

dirkforpres · Post #3 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:22 pm

We should win 50 games at least. Obviously we arent as strong of a team as we have been, but I still believe that any team with Dirk-Josh-Kidd should win 50 games at least no excuses. I dont even care about 50 wins though if we cant make it any further in the playoffs than we have for the past 2 years

hph6203 · Post #4 » by **hph6203** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:06 pm

I'm not so sure this team isn't as good as they have been before. I mean, this team is two years removed from going 67-15, and who have we lost since then? No one really. Some role players here and there, that really didn't do that much for this team.

If Dirk is like 2006 Dirk.
If Howard is like 2006 Howard.
If Terry hits his 3 pointers.
If Kidd continues to be the playmaker that he is.
If the young guys (Wright, Green, Bass) all continue to play as well as they have in the preseason.

Then this team could be a really tough out for any other team in the playoffs. It's a matter of confidence, and whether or not they have it playoff time. If they win 50-5 games I'm not sure that gives them the confidence they need, but if they win 55+ they can certainly get out of the first round. It really depends on how well this team comes together, and buys into what Carlisle is saying. So far so good, but we shall see once the season kicks off this week.

JES12 · Post #5 » by **JES12** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:26 am

I wish I had your optimism hpl6203, but I'm not kidding myself on Kidd's role. The void left by Harris (who by no means was a role player) can't be filled by better rebounding, but more turnover proned Jason Kidd.

mffl_14 · Post #6 » by **mffl_14** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:13 am

JES12 wrote:I wish I had your optimism hpl6203, but I'm not kidding myself on Kidd's role. The void left by Harris (who by no means was a role player) can't be filled by better rebounding, but more turnover proned Jason Kidd.

Harris isn't the reason why we would or would not make it out of the first round. Kidd isn't as bad as most think and I think Kidd will be better in Carlisle's offense. Granted it's the pre season but all the Mavs have been doing is going to the basket and as long as that keeps happpening we will be just fine with Kidd at point.

Darren · Post #7 » by **Darren** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:13 am

I expect something around 45. There's some indication in the preseason games. We struggle against some athletic teams. And the 'letdown sydrome' would cost us some. We're not that great after all. The past glory won't come despite miracle.

hph6203 · Post #8 » by **hph6203** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:17 am

JES12 wrote:I wish I had your optimism hpl6203, but I'm not kidding myself on Kidd's role. The void left by Harris (who by no means was a role player) can't be filled by better rebounding, but more turnover proned Jason Kidd.

I just believe that this team is finally getting back to a little of what was successful (and some unsuccessful) in years past. They just loaded up on young, athletic players, and told them to run. The problem was that when they got out and ran they didn't defend so well. If you can get a combination of the two, then you've got something. I'm not sure they have the defense, but I do believe they can be very dangerous on the offensive end, and any time that happens you can get 50+ wins. It's just a matter of how quickly this team comes together.

Obviously we're going to have some troubles with athletic guards, but I think they can beat most of those teams. It's just a matter of can they beat New Orleans and LA Lakers (I'm not a strong believer in the Jazz, Spurs, or the Rockets for various reasons).

italy_23 · Post #9 » by **italy_23** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:42 am

I'm not makin any predictions now, rather have to wait and see. I'll give them a month or two and then we'll see where they are heading. right now anything is possible, being one of the top 4 seeds and missing out entirely.

JES12 · Post #10 » by **JES12** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:07 am

ditto italy!

I have a quiet optimism that Wright could be our Anthony Parker / Salmons type player. Hoping he can guard or at least slow T-Mac, Kobe, Pierce, etc... If he can and Howard continues to play his pre-season defense, then I think we can do good with a Kidd/Wright/Howard backcourt.

I do, however, ONLY want to see Terry as backup PG (30-18 split with Kidd) and in end of the game, offensive, situational substitutions! And want to see Stack waived or traded (if traded, it must not be a huge contract, but if it is, it needs to be a huge upgrade).

crucifixx · Post #11 » by **crucifixx** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:23 am

i kinda wish stack would stay. he's the only one in the mavs who has the balls to commit fragrant fouls

JES12 · Post #12 » by **JES12** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:53 pm

Yeah,...if he gets suspended, the team can rally and kill our next opponent!

Realmavsman · Post #13 » by **Realmavsman** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:11 pm

50 wins, Book it!! This team will win 50 games or more. I don't know about the playoffs but we will win at least 50. If you are going to Vegas then put lots of money on the over which is 46.5.

Post #14 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:48 pm

Realmavsman wrote:50 wins, Book it!! This team will win 50 games or more. I don't know about the playoffs but we will win at least 50. If you are going to Vegas then put lots of money on the over which is 46.5.

I'm actually heading to Vegas on Thursday and this is one bet that I'm actually considering.

Post #15 » by **DDansby123** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:22 pm

mffl_14 wrote:Harris isn't the reason why we would or would not make it out of the first round. Kidd isn't as bad as most think and I think Kidd will be better in Carlisle's offense. Granted it's the pre season but all the Mavs have been doing is going to the basket and as long as that keeps happpening we will be just fine with Kidd at point.

As an individual player, Kidd is pretty much exactly what I said he'd be. The difference has been his impact on the rest of the team, which, frankly, I overestimated. That is, Kidd hasn't made his teammates much better, and the teammates haven't been nearly as good with him as I thought they'd be.

In all honesty, I think I was more wrong about Avery's negative impact than the Kidd trade, which bodes well for this season. We'll see how it turns out, though.

Teffer10 · Post #16 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:43 pm

Kidd would have more impact if there was more athletic talent around him.

Watching the 4th quarter of the Pacer's game is an indication to me that we are basically in for the same...Dirk and Terry shooting jump shots while everyone else stands around and does nothing.
That is not playing into Kidd's strengths.

I really don't think Kidd is a good fit for this team or visa versa.

dirtyfilthynasty · Post #17 » by **dirtyfilthynasty** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:53 pm

JES12 wrote:ditto italy!

I have a quiet optimism that Wright could be our Anthony Parker / Salmons type player. Hoping he can guard or at least slow T-Mac, Kobe, Pierce, etc... If he can and Howard continues to play his pre-season defense, then I think we can do good with a Kidd/Wright/Howard backcourt.

I do, however, ONLY want to see Terry as backup PG (30-18 split with Kidd) and in end of the game, offensive, situational substitutions! And want to see Stack waived or traded (if traded, it must not be a huge contract, but if it is, it needs to be a huge upgrade).

If Wright only plays around 25 minutes a game, who do you want to back him up? What if Wright looks like he isn't ready for the starting role? Who would play sg then?

dirtyfilthynasty · Post #18 » by **dirtyfilthynasty** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:56 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Realmavsman wrote:50 wins, Book it!! This team will win 50 games or more. I don't know about the playoffs but we will win at least 50. If you are going to Vegas then put lots of money on the over which is 46.5.

I'm actually heading to Vegas on Thursday and this is one bet that I'm actually considering.

I wouldn't do that if I were you.

Post #19 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:07 pm

dirtyfilthynasty wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Realmavsman wrote:50 wins, Book it!! This team will win 50 games or more. I don't know about the playoffs but we will win at least 50. If you are going to Vegas then put lots of money on the over which is 46.5.

I'm actually heading to Vegas on Thursday and this is one bet that I'm actually considering.

I wouldn't do that if I were you.

I'm willing to consider it but probably would lean towards the under for us. There are other teams that won't make it as stressful.

JES12 · Post #20 » by **JES12** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:53 am

dirtyfilthynasty wrote:
JES12 wrote:ditto italy!

I have a quiet optimism that Wright could be our Anthony Parker / Salmons type player. Hoping he can guard or at least slow T-Mac, Kobe, Pierce, etc... If he can and Howard continues to play his pre-season defense, then I think we can do good with a Kidd/Wright/Howard backcourt.

I do, however, ONLY want to see Terry as backup PG (30-18 split with Kidd) and in end of the game, offensive, situational substitutions! And want to see Stack waived or traded (if traded, it must not be a huge contract, but if it is, it needs to be a huge upgrade).

If Wright only plays around 25 minutes a game, who do you want to back him up? What if Wright looks like he isn't ready for the starting role? Who would play sg then?

I don't know if I know enough about our current squad to make that decision yet. I don't even know if Wright deserves that many minutes. I am hoping his play merits that time, but who knows.

Right now, if I was to guess, I would do something like this

Kidd - Stack (no more than 12 minutes a game)
Kidd - Terry (no more than 5 minutes a game and only in situational substitutions)
Kidd - Green (10-15?)
Kidd - Wright (10-15?)
Terry - Wright (10-15?)
Terry - everyone except Wright (<5)

Williams & George to backup Howard...and I don't want Stack at SF at all.

BUt, dfn, who knows? That may change 10 games into the season.