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JHo 4th Q Stats 

Post#1 » by ppp000 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:32 pm

For anyone who cares...JHo's 4th quarter stats

http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2008/11 ... lutch.html

This episode’s “Ask Sports Me” features a long standing sports theory that I have thrown out; with a emailer wanting to challenge me on my oft-used sports point, that “Josh Howard doesn’t want the ball in the 4th Quarter”.

The emailer writes:

Bob, I hear you always say that Howard doesn’t want the ball in the 4th Quarter, but do you have evidence of this or is this just your observation?

Both. I used to just watch the games and notice how Howard always seemed to have 16 or 18 points at the half and then end the game with 23. Of course, that is an exaggeration, but it is what sent me on this theory.

I did notice, though, that he has virtually no role in the Mavericks 4th Quarter half-court offense. And now I needed to either prove or disprove this theory to see if we have a full fledged fact-based sports truth.

A couple of qualifiers as usual:

1) – It is possible that Rick Carlisle will feel differently about Josh’s role in the 4th Quarter than Avery Johnson. Not likely, but possible. Almost all of my data being used is from the Avery Johnson era.

2) – It is impossible to prove with statistics whether the source of Josh’s 4th Quarter production is a product of his reluctance to shoot or “take over” a game, or whether the coach purposely does not include him in the offensive sets. All we have are the numbers that tell us what does and doesn’t happen from a results standpoint.

But we do know a few things:

• In the NBA, what you do in the early part of the game still matters. But, only in the late stages of regular season games do you see true defense being played with the fullest intensity possible.

• Josh Howard is a very talented player who has been to an All-Star Game. All-Star caliber players with a few rare exceptions (guys like Ben Wallace who were only there strictly because of defensive skills) are expected to assist in closing out games. To have a player who is consistently your 2nd leading scorer being a virtual passenger in the final 6-8 minutes of NBA games is a major liability. I am sure upon reading this people will suggest that he doesn’t have 4th Quarter numbers because the Mavs turn strictly to Dirk. Of course, Dirk gets his number called because he can deliver, but Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse, and even Jason Kidd are all capable of producing at about their quarterly average in the 4th. Josh Howard has always had his weakest quarter in the 4th. Always.

Let’s look at the evidence:

Below, is Josh Howard’s Scoring by Quarter for his career, where he averages 15.2 points per game:

Quarter Point Average
1st 5.5
2nd 3.7
3rd 4.1
4th 2.9


Now, here he is in the last 3 seasons since he has developed (18.3 ppg):

Quarter Point Average
1st 6.5
2nd 4.2
3rd 4.7
4th 3.2


Next, the 2006-07 season (18.9 ppg):

Quarter Point Average
1st 6.9
2nd 4.2
3rd 5.3
4th 3.0


And, the 2007-08 season (19.9 ppg):

Quarter Point Average
1st 7.0
2nd 4.6
3rd 4.4
4th 4.1


Aren't the numbers all shockingly consistent? He has a huge 1st Quarter, ok 2nd and 3rd Quarters, and then to me a 4th Quarter that falls off the table.

Is it because he doesn't make his shots? No. It is because he doesn't shoot. Look at the following table to see the number of times he shoots each Quarter, first in 2006-7:

Quarter Shoots every x Minutes
1st 1.9
2nd 2.2
3rd 2.3
4th 3.2


And in 2007-08:

Quarter Shoots every x Minutes
1st 1.8
2nd 2.0
3rd 2.3
4th 3.1


See, as the game goes on, he shoots less and less.

To see what these numbers mean, I thought we should also run the numbers of a player who is sometimes treated critically for not being "clutch", Dirk Nowitzki. I think he will go down as an amazingly underappreciated star in these parts if he doesn't help lead a Championship run here in Dallas. For sure, those 2006 NBA Finals shall forever hang over the heads of Mr. Howard and Mr. Nowitzki.

Dirk's Career Numbers (22.4 ppg):

Quarter Point Average
1st 6.6
2nd 5.6
3rd 6.4
4th 6.6


Dirk's last three seasons (24.9 ppg):

Quarter Point Average
1st 6.4
2nd 5.5
3rd 6.6
4th 6.9


Dirk in 2006-07 (24.6 ppg):

Quarter Point Average
1st 6.9
2nd 5.4
3rd 6.5
4th 6.8


And, Dirk in 2007-08 (23.6 ppg):

Quarter Point Average
1st 6.2
2nd 4.9
3rd 6.5
4th 6.3


And Dirk's Shot rates for the last two seasons - 2006-07:

Quarter Shoots Every X Minutes
1st 2.2
2nd 2
3rd 2.1
4th 2.1


And in 2007-08:

Quarter Shoots Every X Minutes
1st 2.5
2nd 2
3rd 2.1
4th 2.1


From the Dirk Numbers, you can see his consistency. His numbers are either flat for all 4 quarters, or his 4th Quarter numbers are actually his best.

Meanwhile, across the boards, Josh's production for years in a row has been at his best in the early part of the game, and at his worst when the game is on the line.

Check out this final table to demonstrate the difference in the two players. It will measure the percentage of their points that they score in each Quarter over the last 3 seasons.

Josh Howard scored 3,757 points in 3 seasons. Here are the percentage of his points in each Quarter:

Quarter Percentage of Points
1st 36%
2nd 22.3%
3rd 25.5%
4th 16%
OT 0.2%


He scores 36% of his points in the 1st Quarter, and 16% in the 4th! What more evidence is needed?

Dirk Nowitzki scored 5,884 in 3 seasons. The percentage of his points per Quarter:

Quarter Percentage of Points
1st 25.7%
2nd 21.8%
3rd 26.3%
4th 24.9%
OT 1.3%


If Dirk underperforms it is in the 2nd Quarter. His 4th Quarter numbers are 24.9% of his total numbers. Spot on.

Again, this exercise is not to see if Dirk is better than Josh. That is as clear as day to anyone who has ever seen one game. The point of this study is to definitively answer the question of "Is Josh Howard invisible at crunch time".

And the answer has to be, Yes. He drastically underperforms in the 4th Quarter. As he plays in his 6th season, he will need to change this if he is to ever be considered as a Top Player.
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Re: JHo 4th Q Stats 

Post#2 » by JES12 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:14 pm

He seems to be better in the 4th this year according to those stats.
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Re: JHo 4th Q Stats 

Post#3 » by dirkforpres » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:04 pm

Even if he does do bad in the 4th, Id still rather have him in than Stackhouse... Speaking of Stackhouse, is there any way to see a players +/- for the season? It has to be monnumental how bad his is.

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