Mavs-Suns-Bucks

[raferfenix]

Hey Mavs fans, I"m curious what you think of this trade scenario. I assume you guys undoubtedly want some form of a shakeup, so please let me know what you think of this deal:

Mavs trade: Brandon Bass, Erick Dampier, Jerry Stackhouse
Mavs receive: Michael Redd, Dan Gadzuric

Suns trade: Leandro Barbosa
Suns receive: Brandon Bass, Damon Jones

Bucks trade: Michael Redd, Dan Gadzuric, Damon Jones
Bucks receive: Leanrdo Barbosa, Erick Dampier, Jerry Stackhouse

Few questions that I honestly don't know the answer to but assume would affect how you view this deal:

1. I see Dampier is only getting 20 minutes per game despite reading about Mavs fans disappointment in Diop. What's the deal there?

2. How do you view Brandon Bass, and how would his value be around the league? I ask both in terms of how likely you are to trade him and how much the suns would value him.

3. Is Stackhouse expiring this season or next season? Trade checker says one more year, but for some reason I thought he was an expiring. Is it a team option or was my initial inclination just wrong?

4. Can Shawne Williams be your backup PF, because otherwise this trade leaves you thread bare there i think.

Now on to why I think this deal works for these teams:

Why for the Mavs

Redd would take a whole lot of pressure off Dirk and would also help weather the storm until Howard comes since he is able to play SF some. Terry Stotts was a huge fan of his and was able to get the most out of him, and obviously how Mavs brass view him is the main key to the deal, as you would be taking on added salary with Dirk's extra year/s over Stackhouse. The other key is whether you think playing on the Mavs could reignite Gadzuric into the player the mavs tried to sign when he was a free agent. Him playing alongside a steady defender in Dirk and with a fast break PG like Kidd woudl be an ideal situation, but I definitely understand any caution in assuming he can do much. Unless you are REALLY high on Shawne Williams at PF you would probably need to get at least something out of Gadz to pull the trigger.

Why for the Suns

Barbosa is superflorous now that the Suns have Richardson. He's a cruddy backup PG and generally a bad fit with the new look Suns. This deal definitely balances out the Suns team better, but they woudl need to be awfully high on Brandon Bass to pull the trigger consdiering if he leaves they could end up losing Barbosa for nothing. Damon Jones would help them out at PG and give them some playoff savvy swagger, and his previous success alongside Shaq definitely bodes well for how they would value him. Bass clearly remains the key though.

Why for the Bucks

Dampier would be a major addition to their front court both by pressuring Bogut to play tougher and for adding some much needed defensive help. Barbosa is the key for the Bucks though, as he would be a great fit at SG and would provide some desperatley needed athleticism to the lineup. Stackhosue also could provide some veteran savvy, but the ending contract would be real important for the Bucks as they hope to resign Ramon Sessions while remaining under the luxury tax.



Thanks Mavs fans, and don't be shy if you think the trade sucks or if it needs tweeks out whatever. I certainly don't claim to know as much about your team as you guys do, but I'm a big Dirk fan and am certainly hoping the Mavs can get it back together!

[JES12]

No, no no!

Read the thread posted with Charlotte and NY. Same exact argument.

Redd ~ Richardson, except Richardson is not quite the chucker Redd is and Redd is overpaid compared to Richardson.

Gadzurac ~ Nazr, except Gadzurac is a little more useful tan NAzr, but the difference btwn Dampier and Gadzurac is bigger than Diop & Nazr....not to mention 1 year shorter.

And for crying out loud! Bass is not a friggin throw in!

For ANY mav trade....remember to give us a reason: compete now or rebuild. If you give us 3 year + contracts, make sure the upgrade is well worth it (and depleteing front court depth while taking minutes from Kidd-Terry-Barea-Howard) is not an upgrade at all). Rebuilding would not hav 3 year + deals.

The only way Redd ends up in Dallas...and mark my words on this.....is if Terry is leaving as the main talent and salary (something like Terry + Stack for Redd and a mid 1st rounder as Terry > Redd and cheaper) because there is not room for both of them on the same team.

Terry has always been a better shootter than Redd and now he is getting more FGA.

[raferfenix]

No, no no!

Read the thread posted with Charlotte and NY. Same exact argument.

Redd ~ Richardson, except Richardson is not quite the chucker Redd is and Redd is overpaid compared to Richardson.

Gadzurac ~ Nazr, except Gadzurac is a little more useful tan NAzr, but the difference btwn Dampier and Gadzurac is bigger than Diop & Nazr....not to mention 1 year shorter.

And for crying out loud! Bass is not a friggin throw in!

For ANY mav trade....remember to give us a reason: compete now or rebuild. If you give us 3 year + contracts, make sure the upgrade is well worth it (and depleteing front court depth while taking minutes from Kidd-Terry-Barea-Howard) is not an upgrade at all). Rebuilding would not hav 3 year + deals.

I definitely didn't assume Bass was a throw in---he's integral for the Suns aspect of the deal. I didn't know there was a Charlotte thread on this, but I certainly understand the hesitation on taking on Gadz's deal.

What if Gadz is swapped for CV? Dirk would have to play a whole lot of center, but salary wise it'd be much better for you. I'm not as sure if the Bucks do it though if that happens, and woudl go so far to say that htey probably would prefer to throw in a future first rather than that.

And this deal would definitely be a compete now trade. If Mavs brass do not think it moves you big steps forward in that regard it has absolutely no traction. But with Dirk in his prime I doubt the Mavs are really going to all out rebuild, and from the outside at least it seems like swapping Stack and Dampier for a player like Redd woudl probably be as big a shakeup for a win now move you could possibly make.

I also know nothing about Barea, and if you guys ahve an up and coming swingman I cetainly udnerstand even more hesitation on this deal.

[JES12]

You think Charlie V's total lack of comprehension of the word defense is better next to Dirk? How bout no. Damp is staying in Dallas til 2010 (assuming we are "compete now" as your argument says).

And if you think Bass was not a throw in you must have thought Redd > Terry (the primary person he will be taking minutes away from), huh? Well he is not. Even if they were even, we are not turning Damp into Gad or throwing in Bass.

[GermanFan120]

Suns wins this trade, hell no!