2024 MLB Draft Thread -Jays Pick 20th - July 14th, 2024 - 5 pm

[Parataxis]

So from the looks of it, with King being overslot and everybody else being roughly neutral to underslot, we're about at slot right now, give or take?

And it's just Yesavage who has pool money left (11th onward is non-pool, right?)

How much are we allowed to go overslot by on our full pool before we start getting dinged?

[-MetA4-]

So from the looks of it, with King being overslot and everybody else being roughly neutral to underslot, we're about at slot right now, give or take?

And it's just Yesavage who has pool money left (11th onward is non-pool, right?)

How much are we allowed to go overslot by on our full pool before we start getting dinged?

With the 5% overage allowed they have about $580K as of right now to go over-slot. That isn't yet including 7th rounder Austin Cates who hasn't signed yet and has a slot value of $253K. It is possible that they save a bit more money there.

17th round pick Gavin Smith (HS SS) is allegedly signing, as is Carson Messina.

I would expect Yesavage to sign for slot. Messina signs for something like $700-750K and Gavin Smith for ~$200K. That is all dependant on what happens with Austin Cates since that pick will ultimately determine how much they can go over.

[Cyrus]

So from the looks of it, with King being overslot and everybody else being roughly neutral to underslot, we're about at slot right now, give or take?

And it's just Yesavage who has pool money left (11th onward is non-pool, right?)

How much are we allowed to go overslot by on our full pool before we start getting dinged?

11th and onwards do not go to pool provided they signed for 150K or less. Anything over that mark, goes towards the overall draft pool dollars. So in Troy Guthrie case, he signed for 200K, 50K will count to draft pool, eating up some of the slot savings we had.

[Parataxis]

So from the looks of it, with King being overslot and everybody else being roughly neutral to underslot, we're about at slot right now, give or take?

And it's just Yesavage who has pool money left (11th onward is non-pool, right?)

How much are we allowed to go overslot by on our full pool before we start getting dinged?

11th and onwards do not go to pool provided they signed for 150K or less. Anything over that mark, goes towards the overall draft pool dollars. So in Troy Guthrie case, he signed for 200K, 50K will count to draft pool, eating up some of the slot savings we had.

But if somebody signs for under $150,000, that's just lost money, right?

[Cyrus]

So from the looks of it, with King being overslot and everybody else being roughly neutral to underslot, we're about at slot right now, give or take?

And it's just Yesavage who has pool money left (11th onward is non-pool, right?)

How much are we allowed to go overslot by on our full pool before we start getting dinged?

11th and onwards do not go to pool provided they signed for 150K or less. Anything over that mark, goes towards the overall draft pool dollars. So in Troy Guthrie case, he signed for 200K, 50K will count to draft pool, eating up some of the slot savings we had.

But if somebody signs for under $150,000, that's just lost money, right?

In the 11-20 rounds? Yeah that doesn't go to draft pool as potential savings, that just dollars that wouldn't go to agent/player.

[Cyrus]

Blue Jays sign 7th rounder (25K underslot)

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Blue Jays Sign 12th rounder (400K overslot)

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Everyone is signed besides 1st rounder, 17th, 19th, and 20th rounder

[Cyrus]

Jays have until August 1st, 2024 to sign all their 2024 MLB draftees.

[Cyrus]

Only 2 picks in the first round remain unsigned (trey) being one of them.

Tomorrow is deadline, guessing they are seeing if anyone else will take the extra bit of cash before signing Trey.

[rarefind]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-sign-first-round-pick-trey-yesavage-above-slot-value/

NEW YORK — The Toronto Blue Jays and first-round draft pick Trey Yesavage reached agreement on a $4,177,500 bonus, according to an industry source, a slightly over slot signing for the East Carolina right-hander selected 20th overall.

[Cyrus]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-sign-first-round-pick-trey-yesavage-above-slot-value/

NEW YORK — The Toronto Blue Jays and first-round draft pick Trey Yesavage reached agreement on a $4,177,500 bonus, according to an industry source, a slightly over slot signing for the East Carolina right-hander selected 20th overall.

Nice only the 17th, 19th, and 20th picks remain unsigned. With the 19th pick being a hard sign high schooler with College commitment.

[-MetA4-]

Terrell is not happening. That was a courtesy pick, not one they actually expected to sign.

I think they have something like $250K to offer Gavin Smith. Could happen, but we'll see. I expect that Yesavage was held up as they toiled over Gavin Smith.

[Cyrus]

Terrell is not happening. That was a courtesy pick, not one they actually expected to sign.

I think they have something like $250K to offer Gavin Smith. Could happen, but we'll see. I expect that Yesavage was held up as they toiled over Gavin Smith.

Yup, and that's all they have that they can offer to Gavin, they are basically 105K more, so at most 255K.

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Any thoughts on where Yesavage might start this year?

[Parataxis]

Terrell is not happening. That was a courtesy pick, not one they actually expected to sign.

What do you mean by courtesy pick? Did we pick him as a favour to him, so that he can say he's been drafted into the MLB, or as a courtesy to somebody else?

Is that a sign of future interest on his or our part in three years?

I'm assuming we don't get compensation picks for unsigned picks that far down the draft?

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Terrell is not happening. That was a courtesy pick, not one they actually expected to sign.

I think they have something like $250K to offer Gavin Smith. Could happen, but we'll see. I expect that Yesavage was held up as they toiled over Gavin Smith.

They signed Smith. Here's everyone signed

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[-MetA4-]

What do you mean by courtesy pick? Did we pick him as a favour to him, so that he can say he's been drafted into the MLB, or as a courtesy to somebody else?

Is that a sign of future interest on his or our part in three years?

I'm assuming we don't get compensation picks for unsigned picks that far down the draft?

Its totally common for teams to use their second last or last (sometimes both) picks on a player(s) that they know they likely cant/wont sign. In this case it was a HS player that they liked a lot (their interest in Terrell was known pre-draft) who they couldn't fit into the budget. Drafting the player anyway lets the kid have his name called, and its also a nice gesture to the area scout who spent a ton of time scouting him throughout the year (or longer).

In this case Terrell had 2nd/3rd round grades and likely valued himself at ~$1+ mill, so we obviously didn't have the available pool money to get a deal done. The decision for the Jays likely came between Johnny King or Terrell in the 3rd round - they wouldn't be able to fit both in. Sometimes taking a kid like Terrell in the 19th round can also serve as an emergency backup, lets say in case Johnny King fails a medical and Carson Messina's overslot deal falls through, leaving them with money to all of a sudden sign Terrell.

And you are correct, you don't get compensation picks that far down in the draft. Only picks up to the end of the 3rd round are protected with compensation.

[Parataxis]

What do you mean by courtesy pick? Did we pick him as a favour to him, so that he can say he's been drafted into the MLB, or as a courtesy to somebody else?

Is that a sign of future interest on his or our part in three years?

I'm assuming we don't get compensation picks for unsigned picks that far down the draft?

Its totally common for teams to use their second last or last (sometimes both) picks on a player(s) that they know they likely cant/wont sign. In this case it was a HS player that they liked a lot (their interest in Terrell was known pre-draft) who they couldn't fit into the budget. Drafting the player anyway lets the kid have his name called, and its also a nice gesture to the area scout who spent a ton of time scouting him throughout the year (or longer).

In this case Terrell had 2nd/3rd round grades and likely valued himself at ~$1+ mill, so we obviously didn't have the available pool money to get a deal done. The decision for the Jays likely came between Johnny King or Terrell in the 3rd round - they wouldn't be able to fit both in. Sometimes taking a kid like Terrell in the 19th round can also serve as an emergency backup, lets say in case Johnny King fails a medical and Carson Messina's overslot deal falls through, leaving them with money to all of a sudden sign Terrell.

And you are correct, you don't get compensation picks that far down in the draft. Only picks up to the end of the 3rd round are protected with compensation.

Thanks, that's really helpful! So drafting him at 19 is more the start of a conversation for a few years from now than the end of things then?

One more question though. If King failed a medical and we didn't sign him, wouldn't we lose that slot money entirely, rather than being able to use it on Terrell?

[-MetA4-]

Thanks, that's really helpful! So drafting him at 19 is more the start of a conversation for a few years from now than the end of things then?

One more question though. If King failed a medical and we didn't sign him, wouldn't we lose that slot money entirely, rather than being able to use it on Terrell?

It doesn't really help you in the future or anything like that. In actuality, the unsigned player has to give the team permission to draft them again (I believe this is still a rule). Its more just a nice thing to do with a pick that is inconsequential. In all likelihood, one of the undrafted players they signed might have been who they ended up drafting in the 19th/20th round in place of Terrell and the 20th round pick that they also didn't sign, so it doesn't change anything.

If King wasn't signed we would lose his slot value like you said, but remember that they went overslot by ~$480K to sign him. That $480K isn't lost because it is coming from other picks that were already signed. So that $480K could be diverted to Terrell in this hypothetical scenario.

[Cyrus]

Terrell is not happening. That was a courtesy pick, not one they actually expected to sign.

I think they have something like $250K to offer Gavin Smith. Could happen, but we'll see. I expect that Yesavage was held up as they toiled over Gavin Smith.

They signed Smith. Here's everyone signed

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Kind of surprised they didn't sign thy Jr college player they picked with the 20th round. Guess he was a tough sign

[JTT]

Thanks for the excellent discussion on this threa over the last couple of weeks, everyone. Now, lets hope we cant discuss some positive results for these guys in the next two years.