Jays at Oh-ohrioles

[Randle McMurphy]

why? they can afford to pay him and he's the franchise guy. 25-years-old so it's not as if he's completely falling off anytime soon.

maybe if they wanna kill off all appeal in the market and beyond, sure.

feels like the sort of thinking of someone that thinks that OOTP is real life.

Primarily so that this team has a better chance of winning at some point this decade instead of solidifying itself indefinitely as a middling team with a good hitting 1B.

If you really think a Vlad contract really locks them into being a middling team, you really aren't worth taking seriously at all.

Fortunately, I think even this FO knows that paying a player $300M+ who will never be worth $300M+ around an already bad team with no real prospects of success any time soon is an incredibly bad idea.

I could see being able to somewhat justify it if the Jays actually looked like they could contend in the next 3-4 years during the remainder of his prime, but they clearly can't and won't. It would be a disaster contract from the moment it was signed.

[Parataxis]

extend vladdy

sell high

Okay, but even if you wanted to 'sell high', locking him in for a decade is going to make him more valuable as a trade piece than trading him in a walk year.

[Cyrus]

Best in the league:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/kiermaier-calls-guerrero-jr-best-player-in-the-big-leagues-right-now/

KK new teammates gonna be pissed

[Randle McMurphy]

extend vladdy

sell high

Okay, but even if you wanted to 'sell high', locking him in for a decade is going to make him more valuable as a trade piece than trading him in a walk year.

It’s exactly the opposite. If you hand Vlad the 10 year/300M+ contract he’s after (which will become an organizational anchor as soon as it is signed), he will have very little trade value at all.

[Asianiac_24]

We are screwed if we give Vlad a 10 year 300 MIL contract. Despite his recent hot streak, his total body of work in the last few years including this year indicates he is a 30 HR, .800-.900 OPS kind of guy as a 1B/DH. That’s not a 300M player.

[Mehar]

You should never fall in love with your own players. If Vlad continues to hit like this the rest of the year, he can legitimately bring back a crazy return in the off-season in any trade. In NHL terms, it could be the enormous cost what the Philadelphia Flyers gave up to the Quebec Nordiques to get Eric Lindros. That same return helped Quebec (which relocated to Colorado in 1995) to win the Cup.

This Jays team has too much holes in the bullpen, starting pitching, and in the everyday lineup to compete for anything in 2025. If you can throw in a bad contract like Springer along with Vlad, and get back elite controllable MLB ready players, you would be a fool to ignore that. As much as I hate to trade Vlad, there should be no untouchables on this garbage team. This team needs a complete rebuild, and trading Vlad would go along way to fix a lot of holes on this team. Unless this organization is willing to spend like the Dodgers or Yankees to acquire those pieces in free agency.

[Asianiac_24]

Truthfully we are just delaying the inevitable. With the Orioles and Yankees potentially winning close to 100 games, Gausman/Bassitt getting another year older, Springer getting into unplayable territory, Bichette/Kirk continue sucking, everything has to go right for us just to even get a Wild Card spot. This is looking like another 2017 Blue Jays again, when we foolishly tried to win instead of selling high on Donaldson and other pieces we had

[Mehar]

Truthfully we are just delaying the inevitable. With the Orioles and Yankees potentially winning close to 100 games, Gausman/Bassitt getting another year older, Springer getting into unplayable territory, Bichette/Kirk continue sucking, everything has to go right for us just to even get a Wild Card spot. This is looking like another 2017 Blue Jays again, when we foolishly tried to win instead of selling high on Donaldson and other pieces we had

No point in delaying the inevitable. The best course of action for this franchise is to do a True Rebuild. Like I mentioned previously, look at how atrocious Baltimore was in 2018, 2019 and 2021 (winning 47, 54, and 52 Games), and look where they are now. I am not sold on Atkins doing the rebuild, so I would promote James Click to GM and let Atkins go.

Give full autonomy to Click to do what he similarly did in Houston, starting with the rebuild. Otherwise if you are betting on internal improvement, we will be sitting here in 365 days now with this team in a similar position. This team has too many holes to shore up, and this organization should not pretend they will magically be a contender in 2025. Unless Rogers is willing to fork over another 80 to 100 million in the off-season for this team to sign guys in free agency to shore up those holes.

I would shop everybody on this team (Team MVP Varsho, Vlad, Bichette, Bassitt, Gausman, Green) and get an absolute truckload of elite controllable MLB Ready prospects for these guys. Otherwise, if this team falls flat on its face, it is looking at trading Vlad and Bichette next summer when they are months away from free agency. That is not a good position to be in. People are delusional if they think this team can be a legitimate contender in 2025.

[Boogie!]

Ben Nicholson Smith was on radio this morning - talking about the deadline, and whats in store for next year, vladdy (Whether to resign or not) and he siad "By far the best player on Jays is Vladdy, and it's not even close" - Guess he doesn't know about WAR either

To be fair I’ve seen and heard analyst statements that I don’t agree with at all. So I don’t think a writers statements should be the justification for an opinion. That being said, baseball is a sport where hitting vastly outweighs defense. You can’t win games if you don’t score runs period.

I said in previous years, the reason we weren’t living up to our potential was because despite how great our pitching and defense was, Guerrero was heavily underperforming. If Guerrero was hitting at an elite level last year, it would’ve changed the whole complexion of our team, because at his best he carries the offence.

No doubt, just stating what was said, just like when people post some random twitter dudes, whether they are in baseball or not.

Look I don't expect Vladdy to be what we are seeing now, currently that even better than what Judge or Othani is doing...he won't keep it up, especially with zero protection in the lineup now, its basically vladdy and bunch of triple A guys.

Idk, this is who vladdy was supposed to be coming into the league, so the expectation was that he would be performing at the level those guys are. That’s why I’m reluctant to let him go. Also doesn’t make any sense to act like a kevin kiermaier clone is more valuable than him.

[C Court]

Jays pretty much have to re-sign Vladdy and they will.

[Randle McMurphy]

Captain Kirk sending the Moreno whiners home in shambles.