Halladay trade ideas

[SDM]

I'd like to preface this by stating that in no way, shape, or form to I endorse trading Roy Halladay. If the new GM, since I expect Ricciardi to be on his way out, decides to rebuild, he is by far our best asset. Here are some ideas to plug up some holes with a solid major leaguer and a top prospect at a needed position.

ANAHEIM: Roy Halladay for Reggie Willits, Jon Garland, Brandon Wood

Why? Anaheim's staff would be ridiculous in the playoffs, with Halladay/Lackey/Santana/Weaver/Saunders. Halladay is still under contract reasonably for a couple more years and gives them a solid 1a/1b situation with Lackey. Pick your poison, BoSox. For the Jays, Willits is the quintessential lead-off man. He's blocked by the mess of an outfield and can play LF for us. Though atypical for a left fielder, he's an OBP machine with speed. This will allow us to move Lind to 1B and dangle Overbay in a deal. Wood is a power-hitting 3B who has struggled in the majors but is still fairly young. Scoscia isn't the right coach for him either. Garland is a solid #2/3 starter with a proven track record. I think this is a great starting point, but I would be inclined to get more. If we didn't have Dopirak/Arrencibia in waiting, I'd ask for Mike Napoli instead of Wood, but maybe he can be included if we include a lesser prospect.

PITTSBURGH: Roy Halladay for Jason Bay and one of their young starters.

Why? Halladay is an anchor and a horse who will ease the load on their crappy bullpen until they figure things out. He would be the best player in a Pirates uniform in well over a decade. Bay is our feared #4 bat, and the starter (doubt we could get Gorzelanny, though he would be ideal) would fit in right in the tail end of our rotation. Lind moves to 1B and we dangle Overbay.

COLORADO: Roy Halladay for Troy Tulowitzki and Joe Koshansky

Why? In Colorado, Halladay's ground ball tendencies will be welcomed. With that offense behind him, even without Tulo, he could win 20 games (also, he faces a pitcher in the nine slot). Tulo is the franchise shortstop, combining with Hill to form an amazing tandem up the middle. Koshansky is a slugger, blocked by Rockies legend Helton. With Stewart knocking on the door, they could get a little creative with the infield and move Matsui to SS and Stewart to 2B. We keep Lind in LF, move Koshansky to 1B to get some at-bats.

LOS ANGELES: Roy Halladay and David Eckstein for Andre Ethier, Hong-Chih Kuo, Andy LaRoche

Why? A no-brainer, gives LA a 1/2 punch to rival Arizona's and a starting calibre shortstop, allowing Garciaparra to move to the bench or to third. The Jays pick up a LF that does everything well (but nothing tremendously), an ace reliever/spot-starter, and a slugging prospect that's fallen out of favour in LA. Also, wouldn't Torre relish picking up a Yankee killer?

Thoughts? This is just for shoots and giggles, so toss around some ideas.

[Ken Piffey Jr]

i would rather trade Halladay in the offseason, because i'm pretty sure JP is getting the axe and he shouldn't be handling such a big trade at this time. Plus we need to finish the season off to see if we need to get established players or prospects for Halladay.

[evilRyu]

agreed, it'd be nice to do this in the off-season.

Some good offers.. I don't know if Colorado wants to part ways with Troy.. All I know is that it'll be a sad day when Roy leaves....

I'd like to at least receive a top pitching prospect, somehow taking over the #1 or 2 starting pitcher position in a year or two though. As of now, Marcum would be our ace

[Schad]

ANAHEIM: Roy Halladay for Reggie Willits, Jon Garland, Brandon Wood

Ack. Long-term that boils down to Roy Halladay straight-up for Brandon Wood, because Willits is at best a fourth outfielder, and Garland puts far too many guys on base to be more than a low-rotation starter. Wood is a great prospect, but that's terribly lop-sided.

PITTSBURGH: Roy Halladay for Jason Bay and one of their young starters.

Bay is very good, but the same can't be said for any of Pittsburgh's young starters. Gorzelanny is atrocious, Duke is a disaster, and Maholm a steaming pile of mediocrity. No thankee.

COLORADO: Roy Halladay for Troy Tulowitzki and Joe Koshansky

Getting warmer. This would definitely improve our offense long-term, but it's still dropping a nuclear bomb on our rotation...the Jays' minor league pitching is not going to pick up the slack, not for many years to come.

LOS ANGELES: Roy Halladay and David Eckstein for Andre Ethier, Hong-Chih Kuo, Andy LaRoche

Three good players, but still not enough IMO. If the Jays dealt with the Dodgers, Kershaw would have the be the centerpiece.

Halladay is a top-3 pitcher in the league and at 31 has several years left. If we trade him, it has to be for something similar to the Santana package...three or four grade-A prospects, one of which has to be a potential ace or 1b starter.

[whiterasta80]

I'm not sure I like any of those packages actually. Wood has fallen off quite a bit as a prospect and isn't gonna play SS anyway, Pittsburgh and Colorado probably can't afford Roy anyway (and I'd want more from both teams anyway). Actually the Colorado deal is close, but I'd want a mid-level pitching prospect as well.

If Roy absolutely demands to be out of here then I want something more along the lines of Brandon Inge, Rick Porcello, Cale Iorg, and possibly Ryan Perry or another strong pitching prospect. It will absolutely be a STEEP price.

Because we should have no desire to trade him, his contract runs until at least 2009 (I think 2010) and we don't even know who the new GM will be. Its possible that it isn't rebuilding in our future (our farm is improving and free agency can be a big deal). We'll be losing 20 million in salary (Burnett, Thomas) and possibly more if insurance is picking up Hill's contract.

[whiterasta80]

Shad I expect that my package is more appealing then?

[jalenrose#5]

Roy Halladay and Lyle Overbay for Albert Pujols....ahhh...maybe not...

But I'd like to see something with the Dodgers or Rockies.

Roy Halladay for Francis and Tulowitski

Roy Halladay for Chad Billingsley and James Loney

Those are deals I'd look at.

[Relentless88]

Man the day we trade Doc might be the day I stop watching Blue Jays baseball.

[asif9t9]

I stopped watching around May 14th. But yeah, I might not want to tune in for opening day next year. Roy Halladay is worth a victory every 4 or 5 games. Trade Rios, Hill, Vernon (the Yanks can afford him). Rolen could help a contender.

[Ken Piffey Jr]

I stopped watching around May 14th. But yeah, I might not want to tune in for opening day next year. Roy Halladay is worth a victory every 4 or 5 games. Trade Rios, Hill, Vernon (the Yanks can afford him). Rolen could help a contender.

that doesn't mean they want him, we need to give rios or vernon another year then we can trade them, because you never know. IMO i think they both took steroids, i don't know, how the **** does rios fall of the face of the earth this bad?? same with vernon

[Relentless88]

Vernon had one good season where he hit 30 home runs, and JP gave him 126 million for that.

[Ken Piffey Jr]

Vernon had one good season where he hit 30 home runs, and JP gave him 126 million for that.

yep, i think vernon only had 2 100 rbi seasons and he still got that much money, he was only good cause they were forced to pitch to him because delgado was behind him. why he can't be like delgado? no clue. its just sad we let delgado go and 2 years later we sign wells to this ludacris deal. hopefully we get delly back so he can retire here.

[Duncanfan]

Doc is the Jays. I think the new GM who comes in will keep Roy and convince him that he will bring players around him to make us a much better team.. I sure hope so.. I WILL NOT watch the jays if Doc aint there..

[cb4_89]

Im completely done with the jays if they trade doc.

[evilRyu]

Im completely done with the jays if they trade doc.

i'm sure most of us already are

[Judas Priest]

Before thinking of trading your franchise, you have to know where you're headed. And that all begins with the general manager. His latest moves such as bringing in Cito don't even look like 'JP moves.' So he could be out. After that's cleared, I think you ask Doc if he'd be part of rebuilding (if that's the next step). Of course he wouldn't and I wouldn't blame him.

[Harry Palmer]

If you're going to make a move like trading Halladay, I think you need to then be realistic about what that means about what you are and where you're going.

In other words, if you do that, back up the truck and move as many players as needed to really restock the minors with top level talent. It's been a while since we have had cause to look to the future with more enthusiasm than the present, and the present hasn't exactly been glory.

The worst kind of move would to be move him for something comparable but likely less in terms of current talent, or worst of all, a few lesser current talents, ie quality for quantity. If you're moving your best talent and one of the top pitchers in the game, you are doing it for a reason, and that reason won't be solved by either of those returns.

So do it, fine, but back up the truck and get a legit re-build going, and recognize that you'll lose many fairweather fans in the short term.

[-MetA4-]

No offense, but all of the proposed deals made so far are absolutely horrendous. You guys do realize that you are talking about trading Halladay right? A Top 3 pitcher who is still under contract at below market value for another few years if I remember correctly? You are seriously underrating how much Halladay would bring back in a trade. If we ever did trade Halladay we would be able to completely demolish the farm system of whoever we are trading with, plain and simple. If you are going for the prospect route I'd be looking for at least 4+ prospects, at least 2 of which would have to be top prospects (with more preferably at least 3 of them being B+ or better prospects with anyone else involved being a younger guy with big upside). Oakland got Carlos Gonzalez (BA #22 - Arizona's #1 prospect)), Brett Anderson (BA #36 - Arizona's #3 prospect)), Aaron Cunningham (Arizona's #7 prospect), Chris Davis (Arizona's #8 prospect), Dana Eveland, and Greg Smith for Dan Haren and another player who I cant remember off the top of my head. That is 6 players...2 of which were Top 40 prospects and Top 3 prospects in Arizona's system, they got 4 of Arizona's Top 10 prospects in total PLUS Eveland and Smith. Using Sickles' rankings, that group looks like this:

Gonzalez: B+
Anderson: B+
Davis: B+
Cunningham: B-
Smith: C+
Eveland: didn't make their Top 20...

You take that deal and ask for even more due to the fact that Halladay is better than Haren (and that isn't a knock on Haren who is terrific) and has a better track-record. That is the type of haul you are looking at prospect-wise for Halladay, not Brandon Wood and garbage

[whiterasta80]

Actually, Brandon Wood may yet turn out to be garbage.

Rick Porcello on the other hand has an arm of gold and would make us look very smart in a few years.

[-MetA4-]

Rick Porcello on the other hand has an arm of gold and would make us look very smart in a few years.

Porcello's K rates have been shockingly bad this year considering his arm. He is having a good season, but the K numbers are a bit baffling.