Don't you hate steriods?

[freamon]

When Clemens popped up in the news again, it reminded me of the years when we really loved him here. And with that story right next to Doc's great pitching performance last night, you can't help but wonder... is it possible Doc juices? Wouldn't that suck? What especially sucks is that we may never know. As Clemens tries to say, you can't prove a negative.

I hate them steriods, I do.

[J-Roc]

How about Big Pappi? He seems to have fallen off like Mo Vaughn did.

[LLJ]

I think it would kill fans even more if someone like Alomar or Carter were to have found to be on the juice.

See, Alomar can spit on an umpire or even be involved in some HIV scandal and still be loved in TO. If it came out that he juiced, it would be over.

And Joe Carter? I can't even imagine what the reaction would be here.

[Zuul]

I know I will be hated on for this opinion and I am prepared for it but I could care less if atheletes use Performance Enhancing Substances.

The idea that athletes are role models is such a red herring. Think of the Children! The real world is based on competition for scarce resources where for the most part the victor writes the history.

If anything make everything legal and level the playing field. Because right now those who have the ability to stay ahead of the curve (testing) have an unfair advantage. Let's truly see the best possible human competition scientifically enhanced roman gladiator style!

[Ong_dynasty]

I know I will be hated on for this opinion and I am prepared for it but I could care less if atheletes use Performance Enhancing Substances.

The idea that athletes are role models is such a red herring. Think of the Children! The real world is based on competition for scarce resources where for the most part the victor writes the history.

If anything make everything legal and level the playing field. Because right now those who have the ability to stay ahead of the curve (testing) have an unfair advantage. Let's truly see the best possible human competition scientifically enhanced roman gladiator style!

As cynical as it sounds..Ive been arguing the same points for the last 2 or so years...

[J-Roc]

Steroids are known to cause bodily harm. If it was made legal, every kid would be forced to get into it, to compete. We'd watch for however many years, and cheer, and these guys would die off before they hit 50. That's not something that should be encouraged.

Of course, the same argument can be made for boxers or for football players who get their heads knocked around for our enjoyment.

[Zuul]

Steroids are known to cause bodily harm. If it was made legal, every kid would be forced to get into it, to compete. We'd watch for however many years, and cheer, and these guys would die off before they hit 50. That's not something that should be encouraged.

Of course, the same argument can be made for boxers or for football players who get their heads knocked around for our enjoyment.

Not that I am disagreeing with what you have said but there are lot's of examples of legally acceptable practices that are harmful. Smoking and eating Fast food are two examples. I hate the idea of poaching what we condemn and what we allow. Allow everything or allow nothing.

The adult idea of free will should trump the idea of saving the children from themselves IMO. Or is it a case that since there are millions of dollars at stake then no rational person would ever make the decision to not take harmful substances? Perhaps we should call a spade a spade and say this isn't a moral or ethical issue like it is being portrayed but a money issue plain and simple.

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[LLJ]

It's not so much the role-model aspect as the idea that people would like to think that athletes don't need external amplifiers to be so good.

In reality it's a fantasy, but I can't see a world where steroids are ever accepted by mainstream audiences. And I sympathize with that. You don't want to have a conversation someday where you're going "The 2012 Blue Jays were the best team assembled in the past 20 years" and then your friend goes "Yeah but 4/5 of the guys on that team were juicing like crazy."

Nobody likes "Yeah, buts" of that nature. You'd rather have a "Yeah, but if it wasn't for that bad call in Game 7 of the ALCS, the Yankees would have won." type conversation than a "Yeah but that team was roiding like crazy."

[Zuul]

It's not so much the role-model aspect as the idea that people would like to think that athletes don't need external amplifiers to be so good.

In reality it's a fantasy, but I can't see a world where steroids are ever accepted by mainstream audiences. And I sympathize with that. You don't want to have a conversation someday where you're going "The 2012 Blue Jays were the best team assembled in the past 20 years" and then your friend goes "Yeah but 4/5 of the guys on that team were juicing like crazy."

Nobody likes "Yeah, buts" of that nature. You'd rather have a "Yeah, but if it wasn't for that bad call in Game 7 of the ALCS, the Yankees would have won." type conversation than a "Yeah but that team was roiding like crazy."

This post is so true. Especially in baseball the sport of statistics and comparisons between current players and players from different era's using statistics.

I have a solution though. I could develop some statistic to adjust for the steroid era. Some kind of mulipier called the Rage factor that devalues stats based on the size growth of your head over the course of your career compared to the mean.

All Joking aside though there is no way steroids will ever be accepted in sports. There will always be a dirty battle between the "cheaters" and those attempting to catch the cheaters. Like any kind of regulation of this kind a black market will emerge based on the need.

[Mustard_Tiger]

Not at all. I couldn't care less if all these baseball players or athletes were on steroids (and I know a lot of them are already on the stuff, anyway). It makes absolutely no difference to me.

If you want to get into the history of all of it, really the only reason why anabolic steroids are a controlled drug in this country is because of the public outcry after Ben Johnson lost his gold medal.

[Mustard_Tiger]

Steroids are known to cause bodily harm.

If you abuse any drug, there will be negative side-effects. Steroids are no worse in this area than many legal drugs in this country. In fact, anabolic steroids have numerous positive effects on the body if used correctly.

[Mustard_Tiger]

If anything make everything legal and level the playing field. Because right now those who have the ability to stay ahead of the curve (testing) have an unfair advantage. Let's truly see the best possible human competition scientifically enhanced roman gladiator style!

Exactly. It is the poorer athletes that are at a significant disadvantage right now. Guys like ARod and Manny Ramirez are buying the expensive undetectable stuff and getting away with it (for the most part, haha, sorry Manny). People in the minors, on the other hand, are struggling to make their way.

[Hendrix]

Steroids are known to cause bodily harm. If it was made legal, every kid would be forced to get into it, to compete. We'd watch for however many years, and cheer, and these guys would die off before they hit 50. That's not something that should be encouraged.

Of course, the same argument can be made for boxers or for football players who get their heads knocked around for our enjoyment.

Can you find me 1 reputible scientific study to back up any of your claims?

Steroids used responsibly don't cause people to shorten the length of their lives unless there is an underlying health condition that would pop up anyways. The only reason people care about steroids is because of Ben Johnson (like MT said), and the subsequent negative conotation spin the media put on it.

I'de bet 95% of the general public that have a strong opinion on the issue don't actully know anything about them other then what they're fed through the media. Which imo is a pretty **** way to gather information.


Personally I don't have a problem with anybody using w/e they want. I do have a problem with use in competive sports though since it can create a need to use them. And some people just might not feel compfortable using them.

[Hendrix]

Exactly. It is the poorer athletes that are at a significant disadvantage right now. Guys like ARod and Manny Ramirez are buying the expensive undetectable stuff and getting away with it (for the most part, haha, sorry Manny). People in the minors, on the other hand, are struggling to make their way.

Meh I don't think it would make that much of a difference. Hard to detect steroids are ~ the same $. HGH for costs a lot, but not so much of a difference that it wouldn't be attainable if you making semi-decent $.

[evilRyu]

i like how Ripken (according to the wiretap) is trying to figure out what was A-Roid's motivation...

[J-Roc]

Steroids are known to cause bodily harm. If it was made legal, every kid would be forced to get into it, to compete. We'd watch for however many years, and cheer, and these guys would die off before they hit 50. That's not something that should be encouraged.

Of course, the same argument can be made for boxers or for football players who get their heads knocked around for our enjoyment.

Can you find me 1 reputible scientific study to back up any of your claims?

Steroids used responsibly don't cause people to shorten the length of their lives unless there is an underlying health condition that would pop up anyways. The only reason people care about steroids is because of Ben Johnson (like MT said), and the subsequent negative conotation spin the media put on it.

I'de bet 95% of the general public that have a strong opinion on the issue don't actully know anything about them other then what they're fed through the media. Which imo is a pretty **** way to gather information.


Personally I don't have a problem with anybody using w/e they want. I do have a problem with use in competive sports though since it can create a need to use them. And some people just might not feel compfortable using them.

Please provide your "reputable scientific study" to explain how, "Steroids used responsibly don't cause people to shorten the length of their lives". Unless you mean that study that says cigarette smoking "used responsibly" is also safe.

[Hendrix]

Please provide your "reputable scientific study" to explain how, "Steroids used responsibly don't cause people to shorten the length of their lives". Unless you mean that study that says cigarette smoking "used responsibly" is also safe.

I can't provide long term studies because they havn't been done. Which is why it's untrue to make a claim like you have that atheletes will be falling off like flies before they hit 50, and imho makes the whole "war on drugs" and media storm that has jumped on sports a joke.

I could post numerous studies about the effects of steroids on lipids, liver #'s, cholesterol, etc... that show it to not be even close to as dangerous as steroids are sensationalized to be. This seems to be a decent enough summary, with soild references, if you have any specific problems with an area in it let me know.

http://www.elitefitness.com/members/ste ... hrisks.htm

It can be concluded that "[a]s used by most athletes, the side effects of anabolic steroid use appear to be minimal" (Di Pasquale, 1990, p. 5). Despite over forty years of use by athletes, many of whom are now well into middle-age, we have yet to hear reports of an epidemic of steroid-related deaths.

Or you could just look at the # of steroid related deaths in comparison to other things, and it's pretety low. With the fact that pro baseball players can affor proper doctor supervision it would be even lower for that group imo.