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Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon?

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Re: Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon? 

Post#21 » by augustine » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:15 pm

The Flying Gent wrote:Giving up on Mills after 4 starts, especially after he's been impressive in the minors, is dumb. Stop being dumb augustine.


If you are being serious (I'm still not sure you honestly think Mills could be in our top 5), you should look at Tampa's starting rotation to see what is required to win in the AL East, and then take a look at Mills. I'm pretty sure you will realize that Mills does not belong here. Maybe not though.
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Re: Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon? 

Post#22 » by richmondrow » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:17 pm

augustine wrote:Bring up Zip and Drabek, drop Mills, and have the six man rotation to evaluate. Mills, with an 86 mph fastball and no outstanding movement, is just not a major league pitcher. Let's get on with the future already.


noticed that today during the red sox game... if he doesnt hit his spots... he wil get lit up
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Re: Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon? 

Post#23 » by Hendrix » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:52 pm

I'de rather have Zep, and Drabek up here instead of Mills too. Especially Zep. He got lit up a bit this year but he's shown that he has what it takes to be up in the show. He has a 3.66xfip in the majors, and a good one this season at the ML level in limited innings. The .458babip was never going to stay.

Mills just doesn't look like he has what it takes in the AL east I don\t think.

If we can do what it takes to have Zep running on all cylinders next year then we're looking at this as our starting lineup. That's pretty damn solid imo, and I]we should do what it takes to put it together.


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Re: Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon? 

Post#24 » by ItsDanger » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:22 am

Id bring him up for the September call up and see what hes got in a few starts. Its a mistake to rush young pitchers.
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Re: Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon? 

Post#25 » by Lucky26 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:37 pm

It is to get his feet wet in the majors. He will probably be in the bullpen, with a couple of spot starts here and there.

If anything, this just means they might want him right at the beginning of next season.
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Re: Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon? 

Post#26 » by Mike Hunt » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:38 pm

augustine wrote:If you are being serious (I'm still not sure you honestly think Mills could be in our top 5), you should look at Tampa's starting rotation to see what is required to win in the AL East, and then take a look at Mills. I'm pretty sure you will realize that Mills does not belong here. Maybe not though.

As long as Jamie Moyer is in the league, you can justify Mills being around. And while Moyer is much more the exception than the rule, even in his hey day he would get absolutely rocked sometimes.

It used to be that many teams had "crafty lefties" starting for them. That position isn't particularly common anymore (even the guys who are considered "crafty" can hit 91 on the gun). You will still occasionally see these guy in bullpens but rarely starting. I think that may be to Mills' advantage. The less guys see players like you (where all pitches thrown feel offspeed), the less quickly they'll be able to adapt to you.

It's kind of like how about 15 years ago, a bunch of knuckleballers were in the league and it seemed like none of them were particularly successful. Over a few years, you saw a lot of them get weeded out and a few years later, you pretty much had only Wakefield and he was experiencing great success. Now you have 2 knuckleballers (I can only think of wakefield and dickey) and they're doing ok. I don't think knuckleballers can improve all that much. I have a feeling that it's the hitters' ability to adjust that determines their effectiveness. Now that each league only gets to see 1 knuckleballer per year, they're probably not as well equipped to hit the knuckler as when 3-4 guys used to command similar stuff.

I'm not convinced Mills is a major league pitcher (in fact, I'd but the odds at 5:1 against him playing 5+ years), but I'm not ready to write him off because he has sub-standard velocity. His curveball is pretty decent and like any Jay, he'll probably have a plus change-up. I think I want to see more before making any kind of definitive predictions regarding his future.
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Re: Jays talking about bringing Drabek up soon? 

Post#27 » by baulderdash77 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:45 pm

I think Mills should be transitioned to a reliever. Lets face it, they can't all crack our top 5.

There's going to be a spot for a "crafty" left hander on the roster. Even if he's only out there a few AB's per week in spot duty he can be effective.

I likewise want to keep Drabek in the minors this year. His IP is really getting up there and there's no need to burn him out for a try-out. Let's let him and Rzep battle it out next year.
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