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Is it time to move on from Snider?

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Post#21 » by Strav » Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:31 pm

DonYon wrote:what makes you guys think there won't be a spot for him on next year's roster?
a very real possibility at playoff contention without him in the lineup.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#22 » by kwamebargnani » Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:32 pm

rarefind wrote:Snider can still be a Bryan Giles type player, time will tell.

lawlz. Completely different players.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#23 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:36 pm

Strav wrote:
number15 wrote:Travis Snider will for another team.... what Colby Rasmus is now for the Blue Jays


book it!

He'll always be hyped regardless, and yes he probably will perform eventually. But the Jays can't and won't wait imo. He'll fetch a very good player+ via trade. Someone that will help us immediately.

Selling low on a guy like Snider isn't the best move. In fact, it has the potential to work out very poorly. But if they're never going to give him an extended opportunity to hit at this level, they might as well move him.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#24 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:38 pm

DonYon wrote:what makes you guys think there won't be a spot for him on next year's roster?

Well he's certainly not going to be the 4th OF (Davis is under contract) and the Jays don't need a 5th one. So unless you think the Jays should commit to him as the starter in LF based on no production at the MLB level during a contending year, he has no place here.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#25 » by Strav » Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:41 pm

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Strav wrote:
number15 wrote:Travis Snider will for another team.... what Colby Rasmus is now for the Blue Jays


book it!

He'll always be hyped regardless, and yes he probably will perform eventually. But the Jays can't and won't wait imo. He'll fetch a very good player+ via trade. Someone that will help us immediately.

Selling low on a guy like Snider isn't the best move. In fact, it has the potential to work out very poorly. But if they're never going to give him an extended opportunity to hit at this level, they might as well move him.


I honestly don't believe his "worth" has changed much at all the past few years. He'll continue to be highly regarded primarily because of the hype that continues to exist, and the very real possibility that he'll be good when he hits his prime.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#26 » by ThemCrookedRefs » Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:41 pm

Given the situation, I think the Jays sent down the right player. Snider's been terrible for the most part and Thames has clearly been a more productive hitter. I think the Jays have to stop babying players no matter how much promise one has because at some point there has to be consistent production. I don't think the Jays should give up on him yet, but he's probably running out of chances (as unfortunate/unfair that may be).
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#27 » by Weems » Thu Aug 4, 2011 9:51 pm

He has a huge problem sustaining his swing and sustaining success, but I don't want to give up on him. He's got it, he just doesn't get it. This is the type of player AA would want to take in, not ship out.

Let him play out the season in AAA and get him feeling comfortable and give him a clean slate next season. He's 23.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#28 » by Back2back2back » Thu Aug 4, 2011 11:07 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:I highly doubt AA will trade him now. It isn't like him to sell low on a player, despite the fact you could probably get a good prospect or two due to Snider's still tremendous potential.


Unless Snider asks to be traded. ;)

I think Snider has been given enough of a chance to prove himself, but at the end of the day it just didn't work out for both parties. Maybe he's a career AAA guy. He can't hit with the big boys.

It's been a disappointment. I was expecting so much more from Snider.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#29 » by Schad » Thu Aug 4, 2011 11:31 pm

Utterly idiotic. It's not like the at-bats aren't there at the moment...it's the roster spot that is the problem, and we have a player in Teahen who could be DFA'd without so much as a blink of the eye, but for all his great moves, Anthopolous doesn't seem to be fond of admitting defeat. So instead, he'll sit on the bench for a year or thereabouts, getting virtually no play (as he doesn't deserve it) before we cut him mid-summer. And Encarnacion will DH in the majority of games, which will be pointless, as he has no future with the club and won't return any sort of compensation. For those two, we're basically giving up on Snider.

With regards to giving Snider enough time to prove himself...no, we haven't. This year, he has had two stretches of 100 plate appearances before getting the hook. Last year, it was a stretch of 130, a demotion after injury (when he had an OPS of over .800), and ~200 after being called back up; the year prior, it was 108 plate appearances before a demotion, then 168 plate appearances after being called back up.

His longest stretch in the majors? 49 games played. Through four seasons that didn't matter, the longest that we gave a guy widely regarded as a top three hitting prospect in the bigs was roughly fifty games, and the second he'd go into a slump we'd pull the rug out from under him. Abysmal mismanagement, and it's not like there has ever been a long-term asset pushing their way in for those at-bats, either...we keep demoting him only to be stuck handing appearances to journeymen.

He can't hit with the big boys.


He did last year. At age 22. That's what makes it so idiotic.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#30 » by There There » Thu Aug 4, 2011 11:57 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:And Encarnacion will DH in the majority of games, which will be pointless, as he has no future with the club and won't return any sort of compensation. For those two, we're basically giving up on Snider.



On McCowan's show today, Anthopolous said if this was a month ago, E5 would have gone to the bench and both Snider and Thames would play.

However, because of E5's July, this is a good chance to get a good look at him over the next two months to see what we have in him going forward.

Absolutely **** brilliant

Or as you put it

Schadenfreude wrote:Utterly idiotic.

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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#31 » by Schad » Fri Aug 5, 2011 12:00 am

There There wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:And Encarnacion will DH in the majority of games, which will be pointless, as he has no future with the club and won't return any sort of compensation. For those two, we're basically giving up on Snider.



On McCowan's show today, Anthopolous said if this was a month ago, E5 would have gone to the bench and both Snider and Thames would play.

However, because of E5's July, this is a good chance to get a good look at him over the next two months to see what we have in him going forward.

Absolutely **** brilliant

Or as you put it

Schadenfreude wrote:Utterly idiotic.



Yep, because really...we're looking to put together a highly competitive team, and it's going to involve Edwin **** Encarnacion at DH, and Mark Teahen on the bench? Again, I love AA to death, but sometimes you just need to **** cut bait.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#32 » by sonn » Fri Aug 5, 2011 12:08 am

EE has been here for 3 years, what more does AA need to see that he hasn't already? This seems like me like they have a desperate hope that EE somehow qualifies for Type B comp.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#33 » by Trilogy » Fri Aug 5, 2011 12:11 am

I don't get why were hanging onto Teahan. This isn't like basketball where a guy has certain value through his contract. You can give/take as much cash in any deal and there are no restrictions salary wise. They should just eat the contract. No point in wasting a roster spot on him in 2012 anyways.

Also, EE heating up being a reason as to why Snider got sent down is absolutely idiotic. We know what he is. Even if they pick up his option at the end of the year he should be a bench bat who can play 1B/3B. Very useful bench player, but not worth sacrificing crucial evaluation time for Snider this year.
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#34 » by Evermore » Fri Aug 5, 2011 4:56 am

Snider should be packaged during the offseason (with Drabek and/or Cecil) to bring in a front end starting pitcher...
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Re: Is it time to move on from Snider? 

Post#35 » by andyo » Fri Aug 5, 2011 5:03 am

IMO we shouldn't. Just because it'd be dumb to sell him when his value is so low.

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