Griffin: Sources say extension done, Rosenthal: 2yr/$25m

[flatjacket1]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

[Randle McMurphy]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

You don't know what kind of pitcher Dickey will be in three years. Nobody does. There is a long history of knuckleballers pitching well into their 40s, though, so I don't see the point in doubting him.

[Skin Blues]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

There will be absolutely no second thoughts about picking up the option if he is still pitching effectively. Especially if he wins the Cy Young Award again.Of course, if he falls apart then they won't pick it up, but the option could easily come into play. Doesn't seem like it's such a good deal because he's only asking for $12M/yr on the guaranteed part of the extension, but that is well below market value if he was a free agent right now.

[JRG]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

Dickey is an exception to a lot of rules for the simple fact that hes a knuckle baller. IF he wins a CY young the year before the team option it would be absolutely stupid not to pick it up. I dont care if he pitches until 50 and we keep resigning him as long as hes an effective pitcher.

[flatjacket1]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

You don't know what kind of pitcher Dickey will be in three years. Nobody does. There is a long history of knuckleballers pitching well into their 40s, though, so I don't see the point in doubting him.

He just got a 2 year deal with a team option after winning a Cy Young. I highly doubt he gets the exact same deal in 3 years, when he is presumably much older.

I'm not doubting him, if you read my post again I said "even if he wins the Cy Young..." Old guy's just aren't worth a lot.

[flatjacket1]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

Dickey is an exception to a lot of rules for the simple fact that hes a knuckle baller. IF he wins a CY young the year before the team option it would be absolutely stupid not to pick it up. I dont care if he pitches until 50 and we keep resigning him as long as hes an effective pitcher.

I am not suggesting we drop him I am just suggesting at that age we could likely get him for like 1 year 8M even if he is an All-Star, or at a reduced rate for more years.

I am simply saying we will do what we did with Rajai this past season. Decline option and resign.

[JRG]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

Dickey is an exception to a lot of rules for the simple fact that hes a knuckle baller. IF he wins a CY young the year before the team option it would be absolutely stupid not to pick it up. I dont care if he pitches until 50 and we keep resigning him as long as hes an effective pitcher.

I am not suggesting we drop him I am just suggesting at that age we could likely get him for like 1 year 8M even if he is an All-Star, or at a reduced rate for more years.

I am simply saying we will do what we did with Rajai this past season. Decline option and resign.

Was just a misunderstanding then.

Either way if he wins another CY well say before his deal ends Id still pck up the option at 12mill. I hate the facts that the METS had a Cy young winner which means 1 of the 2 best pitchers in entire league and they only went 2/20 according to Dickey. Like come on why cheap out on a few million for a guy who just won you a cy young no matter what his age. Guys earn there paycheques. If he wins another CY just pick up the option instead of this penny pinching over a few million. IF his production drops by a lot then im okie re negotiating but to win a CY you have to be damn good so jsut give him the 12.

[RyderMike]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

Dickey is an exception to a lot of rules for the simple fact that hes a knuckle baller. IF he wins a CY young the year before the team option it would be absolutely stupid not to pick it up. I dont care if he pitches until 50 and we keep resigning him as long as hes an effective pitcher.

I am not suggesting we drop him I am just suggesting at that age we could likely get him for like 1 year 8M even if he is an All-Star, or at a reduced rate for more years.

I am simply saying we will do what we did with Rajai this past season. Decline option and resign.

Well we didn't even save money with Rajai. He had a $3 million option with 500k buyout.

We bought him out for 500k, then signed him to a $2.5 million extension. So, he still got the $3 million.

The only reason it was done was to take off 500k from the 2013 payroll and apply it to the 2012 payroll instead.

[flatjacket1]

Well we didn't even save money with Rajai. He had a $3 million option with 500k buyout.

We bought him out for 500k, then signed him to a $2.5 million extension. So, he still got the $3 million.

The only reason it was done was to take off 500k from the 2013 payroll and apply it to the 2012 payroll instead.

Well we will save money with Dickey.

[flatjacket1]

Was just a misunderstanding then.

Either way if he wins another CY well say before his deal ends Id still pck up the option at 12mill. I hate the facts that the METS had a Cy young winner which means 1 of the 2 best pitchers in entire league and they only went 2/20 according to Dickey. Like come on why cheap out on a few million for a guy who just won you a cy young no matter what his age. Guys earn there paycheques. If he wins another CY just pick up the option instead of this penny pinching over a few million. IF his production drops by a lot then im okie re negotiating but to win a CY you have to be damn good so jsut give him the 12.

Well if he asks for 13M a year at age 38 after winning a Cy Young, likely he will cost less at age 41 after winning a Cy Young.

[Randle McMurphy]

I just wanted to throw this out there, I highly doubt Dickey is worth his option. Even if he wins a Cy Young at age 42 or whatever it is, he still is barely worth 12M.

You don't know what kind of pitcher Dickey will be in three years. Nobody does. There is a long history of knuckleballers pitching well into their 40s, though, so I don't see the point in doubting him.

He just got a 2 year deal with a team option after winning a Cy Young. I highly doubt he gets the exact same deal in 3 years, when he is presumably much older.

What does that have anything to do with picking up his option year after 2014 if he's still good? If he remains even half the pitcher he was last season, it would be worth it.

[denny]

Did people think that the BJ's were gonna be serious contenders in 4 years from now cause we had good prospects? Hahahahaha. If you go to a little to the left....the treasure is there. Whoops....a little to the right. No wait....keep on going straight.

Cash rules everything around me. Reup who you need if you want to win next year. Dollar dollar bills y'all.

[Skin Blues]

I highly doubt he gets the exact same deal in 3 years, when he is presumably much older.

Thanks to modern sabermetrics, we can know with 100% certainty that he will be 41 in three years

And to lighten the mood, a picture of RA Dickey and Mike Nickeas:



Imagine if somebody told you that when the picture was taken in April, that we were going to trade our #1 and #3 prospects for those two clowns after the season was over.

[JRG]

Was just a misunderstanding then.

Either way if he wins another CY well say before his deal ends Id still pck up the option at 12mill. I hate the facts that the METS had a Cy young winner which means 1 of the 2 best pitchers in entire league and they only went 2/20 according to Dickey. Like come on why cheap out on a few million for a guy who just won you a cy young no matter what his age. Guys earn there paycheques. If he wins another CY just pick up the option instead of this penny pinching over a few million. IF his production drops by a lot then im okie re negotiating but to win a CY you have to be damn good so jsut give him the 12.

Well if he asks for 13M a year at age 38 after winning a Cy Young, likely he will cost less at age 41 after winning a Cy Young.

That thinking I find really odd. If im the best pitcher in baseball I want to get paid my asking amount. IF 5 years down the line im still the best pitcher in baseball why shouldnt i get the same amount as before why lower it jsut cause im older. Im still the best why should it matter.

If Dickey wins at 42 the CY young Id see no reason to give him less then his CY young at 38. Best pitcher is the best pitcher no matter the age. Him being a knuckleballer makes the reasoning to lower the contract number even harder.

[flatjacket1]

That thinking I find really odd. If im the best pitcher in baseball I want to get paid my asking amount. IF 5 years down the line im still the best pitcher in baseball why shouldnt i get the same amount as before why lower it jsut cause im older. Im still the best why should it matter.

If Dickey wins at 42 the CY young Id see no reason to give him less then his CY young at 38. Best pitcher is the best pitcher no matter the age. Him being a knuckleballer makes the reasoning to lower the contract number even harder.

I think age matters. That's the only reason Dickey didn't get 18M/year for 6 years.

[JRG]

That thinking I find really odd. If im the best pitcher in baseball I want to get paid my asking amount. IF 5 years down the line im still the best pitcher in baseball why shouldnt i get the same amount as before why lower it jsut cause im older. Im still the best why should it matter.

If Dickey wins at 42 the CY young Id see no reason to give him less then his CY young at 38. Best pitcher is the best pitcher no matter the age. Him being a knuckleballer makes the reasoning to lower the contract number even harder.

I think age matters. That's the only reason Dickey didn't get 18M/year for 6 years.

For a long term I can definitely see why you dont sign dickey to a 6 year contract. But Say his contract expires and hes won another CY young and requests exactly what he did this year at 2/24 or something. I say jsut give it to him instead of bargaining over a few million. Best is the best no matter how u slice it at any age.

[satyr9]

That thinking I find really odd. If im the best pitcher in baseball I want to get paid my asking amount. IF 5 years down the line im still the best pitcher in baseball why shouldnt i get the same amount as before why lower it jsut cause im older. Im still the best why should it matter.

If Dickey wins at 42 the CY young Id see no reason to give him less then his CY young at 38. Best pitcher is the best pitcher no matter the age. Him being a knuckleballer makes the reasoning to lower the contract number even harder.

I think age matters. That's the only reason Dickey didn't get 18M/year for 6 years.

IMO Dickey was willing to give up potential dollars for security. It's not like he's had a lucrative career to date and he wanted to give up potentially 5m/yr to get the extension now, no questions. Even though he's 38 he's more comparable to the Longoria or Moore class of player than other FA eligible or one year away pitchers, 'cause he's locking in his first big payday and giving up quite a bit of potential to get it a year early. Granted Longoria and Moore gave up more to get there's years and years earlier, but that's why Dickey wanted the 25/2 extension instead of playing out one more year and hoping for 35/2 or 40/2. For that reason, if he were to make it through the next 3 seasons at peak, he might not take a cheap extension and instead go for broke on another short-term extension at full market rate (which by then is probably like 350m/yr given current price escalation ).

That being said, the length is of course 100% affected by his age. You can use as many knuckleballers can play forever examples and that still won't create a GM willing to give a 38 year-old with no UCL a 6 year contract.