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Re: So go ahead, fix the Jays 

Post#181 » by Raps in 4 » Sat May 4, 2013 4:08 am

Yosemite Dan wrote:You are what your record says you are. Pretty simple.


Excellent insight.
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Re: So go ahead, fix the Jays 

Post#182 » by Waylon Mercy » Sat May 4, 2013 7:14 am

dagger wrote:
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LMAO!!!!
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Funny thing is that Bonifacio was the player that AA wanted to make the deal with Miami happen, and he overpaid for Izturis, paying him 10 M over three years when nobody else was offering him three years and 2 M a year from what i remember. It is hilarious that AA thought that he could get by at second base with two stiffs. Do not worry about the incompetent sheep that insult you. They were insulting me too. Check out the Dickey trade thread from three weeks ago, when i was called a tool

for saying that AA messed up by pulling the trigger on the Dickey deal when he could have easily kept Villaneuva (who has been excellent in 5 starts with the Cubs, and getting paid 10 M over two years, or Kyle Lohse, who signed for similar money with Dickey, and would have cost the Jays a second round pick). I rather have D'arnaud, Buck, Snyderrard, and Becerra, along with Villaneuva/Lohse instead of Dickey. AA's job needs to be evaluated at the end of the year. Forget the sheep. The sheep will eventually wake up soon.


lol

Weve talked about all the cretens so far except the hyporcrites! Oh yes all those lovely hypocrites
out there that when the rumored Dickey for TDA trade was reported voted close to 80% against it.

Then when the trade was consumated and AA threw in Synderguard to boot some of those
people who were against the original rumor started prasing the deal even with the inclusion
of Synderguard. The media and management did a great con job on that one.


Well he got Josh Thole in that deal and wont even use him. Thole was 3/4 tonight and helped key a walkoff 11th inning win for BUF. He's hitting .379, and at the time of the Dickey trade, he was described as having a bit of residual prospect value/room for growth so it would seem the right time to give him a shot. Maybe he will add some value to that deal.


I remember Mets fans saying Thole was a scrub who couldnt hit his weight and his only
redeeming quality is that he can catch a knuckleball. If we are playing the backup
catcher game id rather have John Buck.
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Re: So go ahead, fix the Jays 

Post#183 » by Cross-over » Sat May 4, 2013 2:36 pm

The biggest problem with the Jays is homegrown talent. Every great team has a nucleus of players that came up through the system before you go out and add FA ,trades. We just don't have that. I believe only JP of the current line-up was drafted by us. Our scouting and development team needs a big shake-up. AA can't pull the trigger on things that NEED to be done like sending Lind down last year when it was obvious to everyone he was crap(same this year) calling Thole, Negrych up this year, and getting a real DH. This year is a write off you can't make up the ground we've lost. Trade or cut Johnson, Cabrera, Bonifacio and Rasmus. I'd like to trade Buehrle as well but with the money he's owed I don't think you get any assets back. Like every other freaking Toronto team time to start looking to next year. Can't wait for Intercounty Senior to start so I can go watch baseball that is worth the price of admission
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Re: So go ahead, fix the Jays 

Post#184 » by dagger » Sat May 4, 2013 2:50 pm

The hesitation in calling up Thole in particular is a bit surprising to me. Like I've said, all you have to do is DFA a 41 year old who plays once in every five games because of a special pitcher situation and is hitting .140, and bring up a 26 year old who can catch the same pitcher. Even if Thole hits .220, that's 80 points better than Blanco and about where JPA will end up hitting this year. Thole has less power than JPA, but almost certainly gives better defence, so a wash. And the Jays are still paying Thole 1.25 million, so a major league salary.

If Anthopoulos wanted to make a small statement to the fans that he's angry at the state of affairs, this is one move he can make, but the hesitation surprises me. Having done so much to cultivate a good, winning atmosphere in BUF, is AA afraid to do anything to upset that by taking away their best bat? That would be almost perverse. Even the BUF writers expected Thole to be gone by now the way he's playing. I asked Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News if Thole's numbers are real, and he said they are, he's playing that well. It's a mystery to me. And Thole has hit as high as .277 as a Met, so maybe last year was an aberration and he is capable of a reverse regression to his mean.

Even the .238 he hit last season would be an improvement over half the Jays' lineup right now.
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Re: So go ahead, fix the Jays 

Post#185 » by J-Roc » Sat May 4, 2013 4:18 pm

Just watching the MLB Player poll show and the Jays were picked 3rd, after Detroit and SF. Oh, those were the days, lol.
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Post#186 » by Raider917 » Sat May 4, 2013 8:47 pm

who among last winters additions could be traded this year? buehrle looks like a guy no team would touch. is Cabrera a 2 or 3 year deal?
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Post#187 » by Mehar » Sun May 5, 2013 1:32 am

Raider917 wrote:who among last winters additions could be traded this year? buehrle looks like a guy no team would touch. is Cabrera a 2 or 3 year deal?


Cabrera signed for 2 years 16 M. Josh Johnson remains the most tradeable guy. However, he is hurt right now.
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Post#188 » by Skin Blues » Sun May 5, 2013 6:50 am

J-Roc wrote:Just watching the MLB Player poll show and the Jays were picked 3rd, after Detroit and SF. Oh, those were the days, lol.

Yet when they fail, all of the monday morning quarterbacks spout off about how ridiculous it was for the Jays to think they could succeed with players from a horrible team. Or that you can't build a contender in one offseason because you need to slowly build chemistry, and yada yada yada. For some reason these people were pretty silent in the offseason.
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Post#189 » by Rhythm043 » Fri May 10, 2013 2:43 am

There is no fix for this team so I will just complain on the major problems that I see. This whole team is garbage. I mean how many of these guys are hitting under .230? They all try and go for the homerun and refuse to play even one bit of national league style ball. I don't know how many times I have seen a guy on second base with 0 out and they refuse to bunt the runner over. For a team that cannot score, they need to be doing things like this. This is the only thing I will blame the manager for,

Ill just list a couple of problems:

I really think they should get rid of the girl in CF who either hits a homerun or strikes out. This guy is terrible and has struck out over 550 times in 2000 career at bats. He should be on this list http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5895 ... me/page/21


The 2nd base options on this team are also horrendous. We have a little midget who can barley hit in Izturis and Bonafacio who cant field if his life depended on it.

I like Lawrie but the guy has way too much movement in his batting stance and he's hitting what .170? Lmaoo And why is Adam Lind still a member of this team? The guy had one good season like 4 years ago and has completely fallen off to extreme levels.

Overall, lets just hope the hitting coach is fired soon as this is the most obvious problem on the team.

Sad to say the best player on the team is Casey Jansen.
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Re: So go ahead, fix the Jays 

Post#190 » by Mehar » Fri May 10, 2013 2:59 am

Rhythm043 wrote:There is no fix for this team so I will just complain on the major problems that I see. This whole team is garbage. I mean how many of these guys are hitting under .230? They all try and go for the homerun and refuse to play even one bit of national league style ball. I don't know how many times I have seen a guy on second base with 0 out and they refuse to bunt the runner over. For a team that cannot score, they need to be doing things like this. This is the only thing I will blame the manager for,

Ill just list a couple of problems:

I really think they should get rid of the girl in CF who either hits a homerun or strikes out. This guy is terrible.

The 2nd base options on this team are also horrendous. We have a little midget who can barley hit in Izturis and Bonafacio who cant field if his life depended on it.

I like Lawrie but the guy has way too much movement in his batting stance and he's hitting what .170? Lmaoo And why is Adam Lind still a member of this team? The guy had one good season like 4 years ago and has completely fallen off to extreme levels.

Overall, lets just hope the hitting coach is fired soon as this is the most obvious problem on the team.

Sad to say the best player on the team is Casey Jansen.


All of your points is something i have been saying for the past three weeks. Why in God's Green earth this team won't bring up Negrych from Buffalo is beyond me. Not a fan of Izturis/Bonifacio at Second Base. Thole, Negrycha and Gose should be up here. Blanco, Derosa/Kawasaki, Bonficaio should be gone. I am for trading Rasmus and Lind in a package to get whatever value back. 13-23 and going to Boston with the pitchers coming up for Boston, seems frightening with the starters this team will be putting up.
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Re: So go ahead, fix the Jays 

Post#191 » by Rhythm043 » Fri May 10, 2013 3:04 am

Mehar wrote:
Rhythm043 wrote:There is no fix for this team so I will just complain on the major problems that I see. This whole team is garbage. I mean how many of these guys are hitting under .230? They all try and go for the homerun and refuse to play even one bit of national league style ball. I don't know how many times I have seen a guy on second base with 0 out and they refuse to bunt the runner over. For a team that cannot score, they need to be doing things like this. This is the only thing I will blame the manager for,

Ill just list a couple of problems:

I really think they should get rid of the girl in CF who either hits a homerun or strikes out. This guy is terrible.

The 2nd base options on this team are also horrendous. We have a little midget who can barley hit in Izturis and Bonafacio who cant field if his life depended on it.

I like Lawrie but the guy has way too much movement in his batting stance and he's hitting what .170? Lmaoo And why is Adam Lind still a member of this team? The guy had one good season like 4 years ago and has completely fallen off to extreme levels.

Overall, lets just hope the hitting coach is fired soon as this is the most obvious problem on the team.

Sad to say the best player on the team is Casey Jansen.


All of your points is something i have been saying for the past three weeks. Why in God's Green earth this team won't bring up Negrych from Buffalo is beyond me. Not a fan of Izturis/Bonifacio at Second Base. Thole, Negrycha and Gose should be up here. Blanco, Derosa/Kawasaki, Bonficaio should be gone. I am for trading Rasmus and Lind in a package to get whatever value back. 13-23 and going to Boston with the pitchers coming up for Boston, seems frightening with the starters this team will be putting up.


100% agree with your point on Gose, that is what I was getting at. At least the man will be able to get on base. This is what we need guys who can get on base.
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