ST: July 1st-4th - Detroit@Toronto

[Santoki]

Everyone here is dealing in absolutes. There's blame to be passed to everyone from AA all the way down to someone insignificant like Mark DeRosa. The whole system is broken and it's been masked by that 11-game streak.

[Yosemite Dan]

Let's say Gibbons wasn't available, who would you choose?

LOL I just love this "who can we get that's any better" argument.

Didn't we use that one up with Colangelo the last half decade?

[Fairview4Life]

Let's say Gibbons wasn't available, who would you choose?

LOL I just love this "who can we get that's any better" argument.

Didn't we use that one up with Colangelo the last half decade?

That's not his argument. He's on team platitude with you.

[galacticos2]

Let's say Gibbons wasn't available, who would you choose?

LOL I just love this "who can we get that's any better" argument.

Didn't we use that one up with Colangelo the last half decade?

I was aiming the question to Schad. I think Gibby is a horrible manager that failed once, never got a managing position after and got one again with us. Makes zero sense. The fact that he stated he was surprised that he got chosen shows red flags all over. It's all puppet managing ever since the Jays hired Carlos Tosca when JP was here.

[Rep905]

Uhhhh....Leyland,

Career record of 851-863.

Madden,

Excellent manager. Ironically, whereas you seem to believe that managing requires a petty tyrant you demands that players have no fun and 'show intensity', Maddon's known as a practical joker who believes that you need to keep players loose to get the best out of them.

Girardi,

Good manager, though he has the fortune to also manage the team with the biggest payroll in baseball.

Showalter,

This is where it becomes obvious that you really don't know much about these guys, and are merely naming the managers of good teams. Prior to last year, Showalter was considered to be a very bad manager. In his previous eight seasons, with three teams, he had just one playoff berth...in 1999, when his 100-win team got bounced in the first round.

Francona etc..

Good manager. Got fired because his extraordinarily talented Red Sox team underachieved rather badly in 2010 and 2011, culminating in a historic choke job.



Most of your examples actually demonstrate the opposite of what you intended to show: that the fortunes of managers rise and fall with the talent level of their teams.

Yosemite Dan, you need to deactivate your account after the whipping you just received. GTFO with the Gibbons hate, he's done all he can as a manager, the players are the one who you should blame. You guys are so blinded sometimes. It's like blaming a caddy for a golfer's mistake on the course smh

[jaymeister15]

Uhhhh....Leyland,

Career record of 851-863.

Madden,

Excellent manager. Ironically, whereas you seem to believe that managing requires a petty tyrant you demands that players have no fun and 'show intensity', Maddon's known as a practical joker who believes that you need to keep players loose to get the best out of them.

Girardi,

Good manager, though he has the fortune to also manage the team with the biggest payroll in baseball.

Showalter,

This is where it becomes obvious that you really don't know much about these guys, and are merely naming the managers of good teams. Prior to last year, Showalter was considered to be a very bad manager. In his previous eight seasons, with three teams, he had just one playoff berth...in 1999, when his 100-win team got bounced in the first round.

Francona etc..

Good manager. Got fired because his extraordinarily talented Red Sox team underachieved rather badly in 2010 and 2011, culminating in a historic choke job.



Most of your examples actually demonstrate the opposite of what you intended to show: that the fortunes of managers rise and fall with the talent level of their teams.

lol I love how YD has replied to several posts since this while completely ignoring your post.

[Randle McMurphy]

The trolls certainly descended on this thread.

[Fairview4Life]

The trolls certainly descended on this thread.

Need another 11 game winning streak. The light to scatter the roaches.

[Hoopstarr]

It's 2013 and we're still having this managers debate? Has anyone ever heard a manager say something insightful about strategy? Listen to a Jim Leyland interview sometime. It's a haze of platitudes and cigarette smoke.