Would Toronto move Joey Bats for the right return?

[DirtyDez]

Good morning, (didn't see a trade thread)

D'Backs fan here with a question... Arizona is looking for power-stick to put behind Paul Goldschmidt and Bautista popped into my head. Not sure the Jays would even consider this but would an offer like this be fair value?

RF Gerrardo Parra - .278/.338/.415 - #4 in fWAR for RF's, #1 RF according bWAR - , 26 years old with 2 years arbitration remaining after this season, Gold Glove last year
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LHP Tyler Skaggs - #2 prospect in AZ's system, 21 years old but doesn't have a spot in the rotation with so many starters under contract making big money. Lots of upside but inconsistent
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SS Chris Owings - 21 years old slugging SS dominating AAA for Reno currently with a .352/.376/.505-slash and solid defense. Low walk-rate but the pop is there. No room for him with Did Gregorius at SS
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RHP Randall Delgado - Aquired in the Justin Upton trade, has pitched well this year but is more of your #4-#5 starter, eats innings and doesn't walk anyone, under control for 5 years

Just throwing it out there, whatcha think?

[brwnman]

Everyone is and should be available for the right price. If the Jays were to trade with the D'Backs for Joey Bats. They'd definitely get Archie Bradley in the deal, and perhaps Skaggs along with Owings. This would mean that the Jays are essentially blowing it up. Archie Bradley would be a must, as Bautista is on a very team friendly contract, and the fact that other teams would be bidding as well if he were made available (and other teams would give up their best prospect). Parra is a good player, absolute cannon for an arm, but that's probably the only reason he's in right (no pop for Parra). Traditionally, big power hitters with strong arms are in RF.

[dkmo]

Would you like a stud, starting pitcher like Josh Johnson or Mark Buerhle instead? Hey! How about we throw in both and Jose Reyes! OH, whatever, this is a going out of business deal! You need a second basemen, too? Have this young buck, Emilio Bonifacio! He's yours! What a deal! I am taking it off the table tomorrow, so make it ASAP!!!!!!!!!

[DirtyDez]

Everyone is and should be available for the right price. If the Jays were to trade with the D'Backs for Joey Bats. They'd definitely get Archie Bradley in the deal, and perhaps Skaggs along with Owings. This would mean that the Jays are essentially blowing it up. Archie Bradley would be a must, as Bautista is on a very team friendly contract, and the fact that other teams would be bidding as well if he were made available (and other teams would give up their best prospect). Parra is a good player, absolute cannon for an arm, but that's probably the only reason he's in right (no pop for Parra). Traditionally, big power hitters with strong arms are in RF.

I don't think trading him would mean they'd "blow it up" which is why i added Parra. He doesn't replace the 'pop' but still a top-5 player at his position. Maybe it frees up some cash to sign Kuroda or Colon?

Bradley is the only untouchable in the system. Not even the prospect hating Keven Towers would deal him, but then you never know. I think Skaggs & Owings would still boost their farm system. Owings' splits away from Reno are the same...

[Schad]

We have no idea what the team is planning, though it doesn't sound like we're going to blow it up...trades around the margins, take another crack at it in 2014, and if that comes up short we probably have no option but to sell everyone and everything before they become AARP eligible. Bautista would probably be the last to go, simply because of his status, though who knows.

On the deal, Parra is somewhat underwhelming offensively, though he's a fantastic defender, and I don't have a tonne of confidence in Owings' ability to hit major league pitching; he's getting a massive assist from an anomalous BABIP at the moment, plus the usual PCL inflation, and he strikes out too much to carry a high average. Delgado ships homers at a high enough rate that it'd be concerning in the AL East.

Still, it's not a bad package at all, with Skaggs headlining. Also ticks a box in Owings if he can stick in the bigs, because we're going to need to a shortstop soon, as Reyes' range is shot and we don't have any prospects at the position above A ball, which is a problem even if we tear it down. I'd imagine that they'd probably want at least one more significant prospect in any instance, though; Stryker Trahan might fit the bill, and we don't particularly need another 4th/5th starter type a la Delgado, given that our entire rotation seems to be pretending to be 4th/5th starters.

Also, as mentioned above, you can totally have Buehrle for free.

[Waylon Mercy]

Ya it doesnt sound like the Jays have any intentions to blow it up and have a fire sale. They
seem to like their nucleus and have most of them under contract for awhile.

[Raptor_Guy]

Considering AA basically said the point of trading prospects for guys who can help us now was to not waste the primes of Bautista and Encarnacion, I can't see him trading them under any circumstance.

[rarefind]

This core gets one more season, at least.

[brwnman]

Everyone is and should be available for the right price. If the Jays were to trade with the D'Backs for Joey Bats. They'd definitely get Archie Bradley in the deal, and perhaps Skaggs along with Owings. This would mean that the Jays are essentially blowing it up. Archie Bradley would be a must, as Bautista is on a very team friendly contract, and the fact that other teams would be bidding as well if he were made available (and other teams would give up their best prospect). Parra is a good player, absolute cannon for an arm, but that's probably the only reason he's in right (no pop for Parra). Traditionally, big power hitters with strong arms are in RF.

I don't think trading him would mean they'd "blow it up" which is why i added Parra. He doesn't replace the 'pop' but still a top-5 player at his position. Maybe it frees up some cash to sign Kuroda or Colon?

Bradley is the only untouchable in the system. Not even the prospect hating Keven Towers would deal him, but then you never know. I think Skaggs & Owings would still boost their farm system. Owings' splits away from Reno are the same...

I don't view Parra as a top-5 player in RF. Not even close to be honest. Defensively, perhaps. Offensively? Nope. As I mentioned, RF is normally saved for high power guys. Defense at that position is not as highly important and Bautista can hold his own for the most part. It's also about losing an elite player in the offense, which Parra cannot replace.

Stanton, Cruz, Bautista, Heyward (down year, but peripheral stats say he should correct the ship), Rios, Harper, Puig, Beltran, Pence all guys that are better than Parra (there are more). Even if some of them don't play the position regularly, they still hold quite a bit more value than Parra in RF.

As for Skaggs, good pitcher, been a little inconsistent but that's to be expected. His curve is one of the best from the left side. However, if you don't come away with the other team's best prospect, you don't trade Bautista. Not sure about Owings, and I'm actually not sure if D'Backs are sold on Didi being their starting SS over the long-term either. He started off blazing hot, tailed off, but has normalized recently.

I don't believe the Jays are selling; don't think they will until at least trying one more year. If next year, half way through, they don't experience success, I'd expect them to start making deals and restocking the farm.

[MikeM]

How can you trade Bautista and not get the team's #1 prospect back?

Sorry D-Backs fan but Bradley would have to be in there just because that will end up being the price if we shop Jose around. Someone will give up at least their #1 prospect and probably happily since Jose's on such a great contract.

I think a nice match would be Jose + Delabar/Cecil/Janssen to ATL for Heyward, Wood and Bethancourt. Wood and Bethancourt are mega blocked and they also need pen arms. Jose is a win-now move for them and who knows if they've soured on Heyward.

[flatjacket1]

I would do that trade. Clears a lot of salary space and we get a good haul back. Top pitching prospects are hard to come by these days.

[brwnman]

^ I don't think it clears much space at all. Bautista is not making too much compared to his value. He's owed 14 million over the next two years, and has a $14 million club option for 2016. Bautista could haul in a lot more than Skaggs being the best player in the deal.