Royals @ Jays - Aug. 30th - Sept. 1st

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Off topic a bit but someone should be fired because Bonifacio is amazing again with the Royals. Somehow he has almost as many walks with them as he had with us in like 5 times the at-bats.

Someone has to get fired for that. It's Aaron Hill all over again. How does this **** **** happen?

Looks like a mini hot streak. It won't last.

Yeah just like Hill was on a mini hot streak. It's just a coincidence that this hot streak started as soon as he was traded. Maybe he wasnt being utilized correctly in Toronto or is that beyond your realm of understanding. According to you the Jays can do no wrong. You make Wilner look like a hater. You're very entertaining in a pathetic kind of way.

How else do you propose using him? He started a lot at 2B, played LF, it's not like he was never getting to bat, he was getting regular ABs, and sucked. Maybe he put too much pressure on himself, and couldn't get out of that rut without a fresh start, but I don't see this as a Greek tragedy where someone has to pay the ultimate price for Bonfacio's ineptitude

[Yosemite Dan]

Looks like a mini hot streak. It won't last.

Yeah just like Hill was on a mini hot streak. It's just a coincidence that this hot streak started as soon as he was traded. Maybe he wasnt being utilized correctly in Toronto or is that beyond your realm of understanding. According to you the Jays can do no wrong. You make Wilner look like a hater. You're very entertaining in a pathetic kind of way.

How else do you propose using him? He started a lot at 2B, played LF, it's not like he was never getting to bat, he was getting regular ABs, and sucked. Maybe he put too much pressure on himself, and couldn't get out of that rut without a fresh start, but I don't see this as a Greek tragedy where someone has to pay the ultimate price for Bonfacio's ineptitude

I don't know, maybe he needed to be told what his defined role on the team was and what was expected of him and how they planned to play to this strengths rather than have him play all over the place and all over the batting lineup. Something tells me that Gibby didn't say more than 5 words to him in spring training because Gibby's philosophy is let the players manage themselves because he doesn't want to get in the way. Remember this isthe same clown who thought batting Bautista 2nd was a grand idea.

[BigLeagueChew]

Yost said, Hi how are you today Bonafacio?! and suddenly he started hitting. You will be playing 2nd base and outfield by the way, and will bat 2nd. Then followed the hits!!

They should write books about this.

[Gibby]

Yeah just like Hill was on a mini hot streak. It's just a coincidence that this hot streak started as soon as he was traded. Maybe he wasnt being utilized correctly in Toronto or is that beyond your realm of understanding. According to you the Jays can do no wrong. You make Wilner look like a hater. You're very entertaining in a pathetic kind of way.

How else do you propose using him? He started a lot at 2B, played LF, it's not like he was never getting to bat, he was getting regular ABs, and sucked. Maybe he put too much pressure on himself, and couldn't get out of that rut without a fresh start, but I don't see this as a Greek tragedy where someone has to pay the ultimate price for Bonfacio's ineptitude

I don't know, maybe he needed to be told what his defined role on the team was and what was expected of him and how they planned to play to this strengths rather than have him play all over the place and all over the batting lineup. Something tells me that Gibby didn't say more than 5 words to him in spring training because Gibby's philosophy is let the players manage themselves because he doesn't want to get in the way. Remember this isthe same clown who thought batting Bautista 2nd was a grand idea.

Getting your best hitter more PAs is actually a great idea.

[Fairview4Life]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

The best modern analysis of lineup order—as published in The Book, by Tom Tango, Mitchel Lichtman and Andy Dolphin—points to one conclusion: a team's best hitter should bat second. Doing so clusters the best hitters more efficiently, putting more runners on base for the big sticks in the middle of the lineup. But most significant, it gets the best hitter more at bats.

This idea is starting to get some traction within the game. The Phillies' Chase Utley, a fixture in the three hole, and Robinson Cano, the Yankees' cleanup hitter much of last season, have spent time in the second spot this year. John Gibbons moved Jose Bautista to the two hole two weeks ago and has seen his Blue Jays average 5.56 runs a game since. In Minnesota, Joe Mauer—roughly the AL's version of Votto, a high-average, high-OBP lefty—has batted second in 46 of his 51 starts this season.

[s e n s i]

Remember this is the same clown who thought batting Bautista 2nd was a grand idea.

oh great, not this sh*t again. it was a grand idea, something you'll see more of as the traditional philosophy for line-up construction becomes less common and eventually near obsolete. but of course there will always be managers stuck in their ways who think ideas implemented over a century ago are still good ideas. sticking one of your best OBP guys in the two-hole is a fantastic idea (something bonifacio was not while he was here), giving your best hitter more PA's over the course of the season makes a little bit of a difference as well.

and posted for the 22nd time on this board this year:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/6/12/4 ... n-for-hawk

[Randle McMurphy]

Yeah just like Hill was on a mini hot streak. It's just a coincidence that this hot streak started as soon as he was traded. Maybe he wasnt being utilized correctly in Toronto or is that beyond your realm of understanding. According to you the Jays can do no wrong. You make Wilner look like a hater. You're very entertaining in a pathetic kind of way.

Aaron Hill had a track record of being a very good baseball player until his poor year. He'd shown plus power, contact, and defensive skills throughout his career. It wasn't all that much of a surprise that he regained those skills with a change of scenary in an inferior league/division.

In Bonifacio's case, he has a long track record of being a bad baseball player. Outside of one BABIP-driven fluke year on offense, he's shown no extended ability to hit or field or even be a full-time starter at this level. A decent 2 week stretch doesn't change that.

The fact that you'd even try to compare their situations shows a tremendous lack of perspective and understanding about the two players you're talking about.

[Schad]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1207736/index.htm

The best modern analysis of lineup order—as published in The Book, by Tom Tango, Mitchel Lichtman and Andy Dolphin—points to one conclusion: a team's best hitter should bat second. Doing so clusters the best hitters more efficiently, putting more runners on base for the big sticks in the middle of the lineup. But most significant, it gets the best hitter more at bats.

This idea is starting to get some traction within the game. The Phillies' Chase Utley, a fixture in the three hole, and Robinson Cano, the Yankees' cleanup hitter much of last season, have spent time in the second spot this year. John Gibbons moved Jose Bautista to the two hole two weeks ago and has seen his Blue Jays average 5.56 runs a game since. In Minnesota, Joe Mauer—roughly the AL's version of Votto, a high-average, high-OBP lefty—has batted second in 46 of his 51 starts this season.

Even if you don't care about pitcher abuse and such things, the fact that Cozart has hit second more than three times as frequently as any other Reds player (and second on the list is the equally-terrible Chris Heisey) is all the evidence necessary that Dusty Baker really isn't very good at managing.

[Fairview4Life]

Even if you don't care about pitcher abuse and such things, the fact that Cozart has hit second more than three times as frequently as any other Reds player (and second on the list is the equally-terrible Chris Heisey) is all the evidence necessary that Dusty Baker really isn't very good at managing.

Sorry, .526 winning % over 20 years. Results are results!

He should have to forfeit half his salary to Barry Bonds.

[Santoki]

I will never understand the obsession with getting upset about a good week from the scrub you just traded. The only other option with Bonifacio was to extend the QO (about $3.5 million I believe) to have him back as your utility infielder. Who in their right mind wanted that to happen? If you had really watched the Jays this season, you'd be out of your mind to do so. There are so many other problems with this team to discuss, that even having to discuss up this topic is going to give me an aneurism.