Jays promote Sanchez

[hyper316]

AA is really desperate, i rather have sanchez in the minors being labelled as a prospect than being called up as a hail mary pass to get any meaningful contribution. sanchez's trade value was probably higher than his likely production in the major this year, now the trade value will go down from whatever low point it is at

[Randle McMurphy]

AA is really desperate, i rather have sanchez in the minors being labelled as a prospect than being called up as a hail mary pass to get any meaningful contribution. sanchez's trade value was probably higher than his likely production in the major this year, now the trade value will go down from whatever low point it is at

His trade value won't be affected much at all by some MLB relief innings, nor will he cease being a "prospect" through this move (albeit one that I'm not particularly high on). It's also a move that is not all that uncommon with young arms.

[hyper316]

AA is really desperate, i rather have sanchez in the minors being labelled as a prospect than being called up as a hail mary pass to get any meaningful contribution. sanchez's trade value was probably higher than his likely production in the major this year, now the trade value will go down from whatever low point it is at

His trade value won't be affected much at all by some MLB relief innings, nor will he cease being a "prospect" through this move (albeit one that I'm not particularly high on).

i get the prospect part, but i just can't get over how nolin was handled, nolin's value definitely dropped due to poor performance in the short call-up. i'm afraid it'll happen the same with sanchez

[There There]

AA is really desperate, i rather have sanchez in the minors being labelled as a prospect than being called up as a hail mary pass to get any meaningful contribution. sanchez's trade value was probably higher than his likely production in the major this year, now the trade value will go down from whatever low point it is at

His trade value won't be affected much at all by some MLB relief innings, nor will he cease being a "prospect" through this move (albeit one that I'm not particularly high on).

i get the prospect part, but i just can't get over how nolin was handled, nolin's value definitely dropped due to poor performance in the short call-up. i'm afraid it'll happen the same with sanchez

Nolin's upside, even prior to his premature promotion, was generally as a back end of the rotation.

Some may have seen mid-rotation and some saw him as fringey at best, but general consensus was as a back end guy.

It's unlikely that his brief stint last season has had any impact; it's entirely more likely that his inconsistent performance, and missed time this season, since his promotion has impacted his general value.

Likewise, Even if Sanchez were to bomb over a handful of relief appearances, his value is tied into his generally underwhelming minor league performance to date.

I'll admit that I'm probably higher on Sanchez than most at this point, and I think he'll do fine in short relief appearances, but a 30 inning or less major league stint isn't going to move the needle much in either direction.

[suntzuballin]

anthopoluos is placing his bets on sanchez working out if not he will go broke..

[rarefind]

Sanchez has 30 innings left with the "cap" they have placed on him. He could have either pitched 4-5 more weeks in Buffalo, continued coming out the pen in Buffalo or work out the pen in the majors. You're not going to destroy his value on any of those choices. He is not going to even have a sample size of work worth truly analyzing to be honest.

Comparing this situation to that of Nolin isn't fair. Nolin's inability to resurface doesn't have anything to do with last year. I'll agree that the Jays rushed him a bit and did feed him to the wolves, but unfair or not - that hasn't been the reason we have yet to see him this year.

[-MetA4-]

i get the prospect part, but i just can't get over how nolin was handled, nolin's value definitely dropped due to poor performance in the short call-up. i'm afraid it'll happen the same with sanchez

Seriously? One spot-start drastically changed his value? No one in the MLB gives two **** about one start, whether good or bad. The level that some of you grasp at is absurd.

[Relentless88]

Every time a top prospect is promoted, we have this same discussion. Stroman has given me a little hope in Sanchez figuring it out at the major league level.

[hyper316]

i get the prospect part, but i just can't get over how nolin was handled, nolin's value definitely dropped due to poor performance in the short call-up. i'm afraid it'll happen the same with sanchez

Seriously? One spot-start drastically changed his value? No one in the MLB gives two **** about one start, whether good or bad. The level that some of you grasp at is absurd.

sanchez looks nowhere to be ready, and got bumped up to AAA to try to save his stock. his numbers in AAA are worse than his AA, albeit in limited innings. 9 hits/9, much higher than 6 hits/9 when his stock was highest in single A. HR/9 shot up to 1 from <0.5.

The comparison with Stroman is different, where Stroman posted better stats against Sanchez in AA and AAA if put side by side.

Sanchez being promoted to big leagues when he hasn't been outstanding since 2013 in Dunedin, i wish the best for him and for the blue jays' sake. let's revisit this conversation after he hits his cap and done for the year. if cap indeed is around 30 innings, it's no longer a "one start" as you said. it would make no sense to me if Sanchez just comes up for 1-2 starts and goes back down if he is doing well, this is not september call up and just giving prospects a taste of the big league. jays are playing meaningful games and definitely could help/hurt Sanchez's stock. if he can't last the 30 innings, it means he has been demoted.

the star article says AA thinks Sanchez is ready to start

[Michael Bradley]

Sanchez's best role in the Majors might be out of the pen. Someone with his minor walk rate has no chance of making it as a starter. Maybe his stuff and command will play better in a relief role. Most great relievers are failed starters. It's too early to write off his starting career, but if he becomes a reliever and takes off immediately, they are probably better off keeping him there. I'd like to see some history of minor league starters with BB/9's of 5 coming to the Majors and succeeding as starters, but I can't imagine that list is very long.

[WaltFrazier]

Everything negative in this thread was invalidated last night. We saw a star born before our eyes. This kid is gonna be the Jays' ace for the next ten years. I was all in the do something, anything AA camp, until last night. You can't trade this kid no matter what. He is the real deal, mark my words.

I hope.

[Raps_Swingman]

Everything negative in this thread was invalidated last night. We saw a star born before our eyes. This kid is gonna be the Jays' ace for the next ten years. I was all in the do something, anything AA camp, until last night. You can't trade this kid no matter what. He is the real deal, mark my words.

I hope.

We can pump the brakes a little bit. But the kid has nasty stuff.

The hooks he threw we're downright nasty. People were talking about the Dickey effect, which I think is a valid point, but man his stuff is electric.

[Back2back2back]

[rarefind]

Way too early to write him off as a starter.

Light years too early to label him anything more than a prospect.

Edit: Napoli just missed barrelling a Sanchez mistake to opposite field for a bomb. He was good, excellent movement/velocity. Just don't get carried away, yet. Until he can string together successful starts in a row (which we won't see this year) you have to regard him as a prospect trying to stick as a SP. With the way our organization runs things, he will be given every opportunity to be a starter next year.

[WaltFrazier]

Everything negative in this thread was invalidated last night. We saw a star born before our eyes. This kid is gonna be the Jays' ace for the next ten years. I was all in the do something, anything AA camp, until last night. You can't trade this kid no matter what. He is the real deal, mark my words.

I hope.

We can pump the brakes a little bit. But the kid has nasty stuff.

The hooks he threw we're downright nasty. People were talking about the Dickey effect, which I think is a valid point, but man his stuff is electric.

That reminds me, when Dickey was signed the year before, we heard a lot about the Dickey effect that would help the starter who pictched after him. But it should apply even more so to a hard throwing reliever who follows in the same game. But just as RA himself has been a disappointment (much as I like him), so the Dickey effect has not really materialized for the Jays either has it? Are there any stats on that? It certainly doesn't seem obvious to normal observation.