Jose Bautista does not need to

[StringerBell]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB-rdG4u_zU[/youtube]

Sure, they never pimped home-runs in the good old days

[Boogie!]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/blue-jays-bautista-batflip-meme-1.3273814

LMAO crazy stuff

marcus stroman's sister is HOTTTTTT! yowzer. im in love.

also, for a team full of guys that "respect the game" why is derek holland wiping his ass with blue jay towels? and why is that not a topic of discussion?

[Raps in 4]

Basketball you don't undercut players in the air. Football you don't submarine them at the knees. Golf you're supposed to stay completely silent through every other players shot.

There is a difference between an unwritten rule designed to prevent injuries and an unwritten rule designed to prevent feelings from being hurt. This isn't little league. Losers like Dyson need to grow thicker skin.

[almatic]

Basketball you don't undercut players in the air. Football you don't submarine them at the knees. Golf you're supposed to stay completely silent through every other players shot.

There is a difference between an unwritten rule designed to prevent injuries and an unwritten rule designed to prevent feelings from being hurt. This isn't little league. Losers like Dyson need to grow thicker skin.

This. I don't know how you can't decipher that big difference just typing it out lol.

[Sherlock]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/blue-jays-bautista-batflip-meme-1.3273814

LMAO crazy stuff

marcus stroman's sister is HOTTTTTT! yowzer. im in love.

also, for a team full of guys that "respect the game" why is derek holland wiping his ass with blue jay towels? and why is that not a topic of discussion?

LOL -- I was thinking that too and was wondering how many posts it would be before I'd see a comment to that effect. Why couldn't the idiots at CBC flip that video on it's side though? It's not that hard!

[jbeachboy]

dyson is the one wrong here, he didnt go over the top, that was emotions right there, dyson is just angry cause his team failed and he had a part in blowing the game

[lolwut]

Essentially, all of this boils down to racial issues (like a lot of issues do) and we've never really had a very public talk about the issue. If Jose Bautista was white, would there have been as much issue taken with his batflip? I think it's something worth discussing and looking into more.

No, that's not the issue. The backdrop to this is that the traditional white culture of baseball frowns on such behaviour, and white ball players tend to fall into line with it. Other cultures are more expressive.

So any racism that exists isn't directed at an individual antic, and whether that bat flipper is Anglo-Saxon or Latino or African-American is irrelevant in the individual case. The question is whether it's racist to impose Anglo-Saxon baseball values on players from other more expressive cultures. This is an important and complex question, analogous to how Western countries should deal with increasing Muslim populations.

BTW - is "Latino" really a "race"? So Jose and Edwin are the same "race"?

That's exactly the point that Bryant and yourself more eloquently expressed on the issue. It's not so much that Dyson is a racist and was pissed at Jose or that people are racist if they think that batflips by a Latino guy aren't the "right way to play". It's more about how the unwritten rules of baseball are still held today like it's 1950s America despite the influx of guys into the sport from more expressive cultures as you put it.

That's a pretty interesting topic and one that's very unique to baseball as other sports have evolved to reflect the personalities and cultures of the players that predominantly play the sport.

Race classification is a subjective matter. While Edwin has skin you would classify as black, he wouldn't consider himself a black man in the sense that Ben Revere or Marcus Stroman would. He would identify with other Latino players like Jose. On a census form in the US you have white, black, latino, asian as your main categories. Which one would Edwin select? My guess is he's going to tick Latino before anything else. The other issues is that it's difficult to group everyone into such a narrow amount of available races. Ethnically speaking Latino is as much of an identifiable race as perhaps Asian is for Chinese/Korean/Japanese whereas someone from India/Pakistan or the Middle east would have a more difficult time identifying with a particular "race". At some point you end up transitioning from race to ethnicity because we just don't really have a broad enough spectrum of races.

That's a good point. Nowadays, "race" has less and less to do with how you look as opposed to where you're brought up. An even more extreme example would be all the multi-generation Chinese immigrants in the Caribbean. Do the kids there today identify themselves as Asian or Latino? Culturally speaking, they're probably closer to Encarnacion than Jeremy Lin.

[Fairview4Life]

Second: I understand there are traditionalists and purists and whatever-ists who think that flipping a bat after you hit a home run is bad form, or disrespectful, or something. I disagree. I think it’s awesome, frankly, and if you can’t enjoy Joey Bats, who had that crazy itinerant baseball life and then found a home in Toronto, and who is the soul and beating heart of this team — a team which hasn’t been in the postseason in 22 years and which has brought sports life and sports relevance back to one of the world’s great cities — and whose team went down 0-2 at home to a clearly inferior team and then stormed back on the road and gutted out two big wins and then went back to Toronto, fell behind early, scratched their way back to even, then went down by a run on one of the weirdest plays in postseason history, then loaded the bases on three errors and had a guy forced at home and then only scored one run and had a guy thrown out at second on a single to the outfield … if you can’t enjoy Joey Bats flipping his bat towards his own dugout in a badass and life-affirming and glorious and barbaric yawp of baseball excellence after hitting a home run in that situation, then I feel bad for you. Or you’re a Rangers fan, in which case, well, I still feel bad for you, because your team lost.

When Blake Griffin jumps 30 feet in the air and dunks, you want to watch him howl at the moon and strut up the court. When Serena Williams lunges and rips a cross-court winner you want to see her pump her fist and scream. Same for Tiger draining a 30-footer, Brandi Chastain drilling a World Cup penalty, Tom Brady diving for a 1-yard TD. We’re fine with outward displays in every other sport. Why do we ask baseball players to bury their emotions like students in a seminary?

http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/blue-jays-rangers-seventh-inning-jose-bautista-bat-flip-russell-martin-throw/

[polo007]

Texas Rangers pitcher Derek Holland joined KRLD-FM 105.3 The Fan in Texas to discuss the Rangers season which was ended by the Toronto Blue Jays last week in the American League Divisional Series.

Holland had some strong words for the Blue Jays slugger who secured the series victory for the Jays with an emphatic home run (and bat flip) in the seventh inning of Game 5. Holland had some strong words for the Blue Jays slugger who secured the series victory for the Jays with an emphatic home run (and bat flip) in the seventh inning of Game 5.

http://www.tsn.ca/holland-blasts-bautista-on-texas-radio-1.380204

"He's the most animated player I've ever seen. After watching him in the outfield cry about every single thing, it's unbelievable."

"That's cool if you want to stare at the pitcher, because obviously the pitcher made the mistake. If it's me, I made the mistake; you hit the home run? Cool, stare at me. I'm going to be the one that's not actually staring at you, I'm going to watch and see how far you just hit it because that's how I am. I like to punish myself by seeing that. But the way he did it, I don't like it at all. I mean, personally, I don't like him, either."

"Especially after seeing more about him during the game, and being out in the outfield and seeing how he complains about every single thing. It's like, no matter what, if you throw anything close to the plate, and it's a ball, it's supposed to be a ball for him - no matter what. It's like we can't have any calls or anything like that, it's always his way. I just don't like that. I'm not a big fan of him."

"I talked to him, I thought he was a fairly nice guy, and I've never really paid attention to him out in the outfield or the antics that he does because I'm always - either I had to pitch against him, so I'm studying up on what I need to do to get those guys out. I'm not sitting there watching him throw his arms up and throw his glove down on the ground and dance around in the outfield. I don't see that. And it's kind of a tired act."

[LLJ]

A week later and Texas still butthurt. For once, a Toronto team inflicted some lasting butthurt on some other team in the playoffs.

Even if our turn seem to be coming up.

[Trilogy]

I like how at the beginning of the 2nd paragraph he more or less tries to say he doesn't care, and then spends the rest of time complaining about Jose.

Eat a dick.

[Black Watch]

Joe Buck: "Only the hardcore baseball people paid attention when Estrada was traded over to Toronto."

[Fairview4Life]

I like how at the beginning of the 2nd paragraph he more or less tries to say he doesn't care, and then spends the rest of time complaining about Jose.

Eat a dick.

The best, the absolute best, is that he says that whenever he throws a ball Jose says it should be a ball and he should never get an incorrect call going his way.

Yeah, Derek, no ****.

[Boogie!]

derek holland can stfu... for all the flack bautista gets for "disrespecting the game" youll never see him do something as outright childlike and bitch made as taking an opposing fans towel and wiping his ass with it. he's actually a decent human being, but on the field he just plays hard and is passionate about the game. you and your team on the other hand are a bunch of patronizing whiny bitches yourselves. get over it ****.

[Randle McMurphy]

So the nobody who wipes his ass with a Jays towel is now lecturing Jose Bautista about respecting the game. **** off, Derek Holland. Hope you dwell on your **** game 4 performance for the rest of the winter.

[Ong_dynasty]

I really cant believe this is a topic. I understand people who "bat flip" to a certain extent if it was a blow out or a first inning in a nomal july game. But this is to win the alds. What do you think Dyson would have done if he struck out the side. walk back with class to his dugout.

Another thing that "irks" me is, people saying to expect to be beaned? I mean really. are you guys that butt hurt you are willing to potentially injure a fellow player. Talk about stupidity.

[kingcns187]

I really cant believe this is a topic. I understand people who "bat flip" to a certain extent if it was a blow out or a first inning in a nomal july game. But this is to win the alds. What do you think Dyson would have done if he struck out the side. walk back with class to his dugout.

Another thing that "irks" me is, people saying to expect to be beaned? I mean really. are you guys that butt hurt you are willing to potentially injure a fellow player. Talk about stupidity.

it's paradoxical; omg he has NO CLASS for flipping the bat. I hope he gets hit in the head next time he is at bat.


smh

[Boogie!]

also kind of stupid how he says jose is a fairly nice guy, yet goes on to talk **** about him and then says he doesnt like him.

so wait, we're not supposed to like nice guys because theyre animated, flip bats and want to win games really bad? oh right, this is coming from a guy who wiped his ass with a jays towel. idiot.