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If Price bolts, does our window of opportunity at winning a WS slam shut?

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Re: RE: Re: If Price bolts, does our window of opportunity at winning a WS slam shut? 

Post#61 » by Patman » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:26 am

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Nored wrote:Saw someone RT this on twitter

[tweet]https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/671812116073095168[/tweet]


Yeah. We're literally a few months removed from a Sox exec stating that handing out megadeals to over 30s FAs is not sound business. What's really annoying is how successful they've been despite yo-yoing between diametrically opposed models every week.


At least they don't half-ass when they commit one way or the other.
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Re: RE: Re: If Price bolts, does our window of opportunity at winning a WS slam shut? 

Post#62 » by The_Hater » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:05 pm

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Schad wrote:
Nored wrote:Saw someone RT this on twitter

[tweet]https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/671812116073095168[/tweet]


Yeah. We're literally a few months removed from a Sox exec stating that handing out megadeals to over 30s FAs is not sound business. What's really annoying is how successful they've been despite yo-yoing between diametrically opposed models every week.


At least they don't half-ass when they commit one way or the other.


Maybe. I think their success/clear directions which you speak can still be linked to Theo Espstein who is clearly one of the smartest men in MLB. He left after the 2011 season, they won the WS 2 years later primarily using his base of players but have struggled since. Much of the farm system and young talent, which is their primary strength right now, can be linked back to his leadership although they have drafted decently since he left. Their Sox first major move after he left was hiring Bobby Valentine who was an epic disaster. Overall Ben Cherington was not a good GM but the Sox farm system and budget do allow them to rebound quicker than most.

I'm not sure their current, somewhat impatient direction of trading farm talent and signing expensive free agents is a good direction based on what they have built. Sandoval and Ramirez were awful deals. Price will almost certainly join them in time. Trading elite prospects for a closer was questionable as was the long term contract give to Porcello. They paid Allen Craig $9 million to play in AAA last season. No matter what direction they take, it has still included handing out questionable large contracts the past 4 years.
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Re: RE: Re: If Price bolts, does our window of opportunity at winning a WS slam shut? 

Post#63 » by Patman » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:00 pm

The_Hater wrote:
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Patman wrote:
Schad wrote:
Yeah. We're literally a few months removed from a Sox exec stating that handing out megadeals to over 30s FAs is not sound business. What's really annoying is how successful they've been despite yo-yoing between diametrically opposed models every week.


At least they don't half-ass when they commit one way or the other.


Maybe. I think their success/clear directions which you speak can still be linked to Theo Espstein who is clearly one of the smartest men in MLB. He left after the 2011 season, they won the WS 2 years later primarily using his base of players but have struggled since. Much of the farm system and young talent, which is their primary strength right now, can be linked back to his leadership although they have drafted decently since he left. Their Sox first major move after he left was hiring Bobby Valentine who was an epic disaster. Overall Ben Cherington was not a good GM but the Sox farm system and budget do allow them to rebound quicker than most.

I'm not sure their current, somewhat impatient direction of trading farm talent and signing expensive free agents is a good direction based on what they have built. Sandoval and Ramirez were awful deals. Price will almost certainly join them in time. Trading elite prospects for a closer was questionable as was the long term contract give to Porcello. They paid Allen Craig $9 million to play in AAA last season. No matter what direction they take, it has still included handing out questionable large contracts the past 4 years.


Well, they're not fiscally reponsible, that's for sure. But they've shown they can go for it when they want to, and then tear it down just as quickly.
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Re: RE: Re: If Price bolts, does our window of opportunity at winning a WS slam shut? 

Post#64 » by Schad » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:01 pm

Patman wrote:Well, they're not fiscally reponsible, that's for sure. But they've shown they can go for it when they want to, and then tear it down just as quickly.


Though the tear-downs came when attempts to go for it backfired so spectacularly that they had no choice, heh.
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Re: If Price bolts, does our window of opportunity at winning a WS slam shut? 

Post#65 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:10 pm

I saw someone on twitter call Shapiro and Atkins, "Shatkins"

I don't think there's a more apt nickname.
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Re: RE: Re: If Price bolts, does our window of opportunity at winning a WS slam shut? 

Post#66 » by The_Hater » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:51 am

Schad wrote:
Patman wrote:Well, they're not fiscally reponsible, that's for sure. But they've shown they can go for it when they want to, and then tear it down just as quickly.


Though the tear-downs came when attempts to go for it backfired so spectacularly that they had no choice, heh.


The Dodgers bailed them out of the Crawford/Beckett/Gonzalez contracts in one quick move but that was the only time a full tear down was done. Nobody will ever find another team willing to doa favour like that again so they're stuck with Ramerez/Sandoval/Porcello this time around.

Hard to criticize them overall though with 3 titles and loads of success the past 12-14 years.
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