RHP Kenta Maeda... why not?

North_of_Border · Post #1 » by **North_of_Border** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:15 pm

He was posted on December 10th. Still available. The highest bid is capped at $20 million, which he was expected to get from an MLB team. Obviously has not been matched yet. Jays need pitching...... so why not?

If we win the bid to negotiate, even if its 20 million, he will sign at a very below market rate. So that makes up for the high bid. Kinda like the 1B Minnesota signed from Japan recently. They made a 12 million bid to negotiate and then locked him up on the cheaps.... JAYS apparently made an offer for that guy... so why not for a SP, which they could actually use.

He is not as dominate as Darvish or Tanaka, but is very close... also only 28 years old.

Natural11 · Post #2 » by **Natural11** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:24 pm

Based on Rogers' salary cap, we don't have the money left to go after anyone significant. That's why we're hunting down pitchers at minor league or minimum deals. Chances are the front office is hiding a few million to play with at the deadline, but not $20 million.

The only way we afford a pitcher like that at this point is if we unload salary without taking anything back, and I don't think we're in a position to do that.

TR50 · Post #3 » by **TR50** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:33 pm

Natural11 wrote:Based on Rogers' salary cap, we don't have the money left to go after anyone significant. That's why we're hunting down pitchers at minor league or minimum deals. Chances are the front office is hiding a few million to play with at the deadline, but not $20 million.

The only way we afford a pitcher like that at this point is if we unload salary without taking anything back, and I don't think we're in a position to do that.

I understand this...and more or less agree with the sentiments of your post. What is frustrating (and likely irrelevant) is that we did have money to spend on a guy like Yusmeiro Petit. Where did that go?

So what I'm whining about is....that the money is there...it just isn't being green lighted/used.

Randle McMurphy · Post #4 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:47 pm

TR50 wrote:
Natural11 wrote:Based on Rogers' salary cap, we don't have the money left to go after anyone significant. That's why we're hunting down pitchers at minor league or minimum deals. Chances are the front office is hiding a few million to play with at the deadline, but not $20 million.

The only way we afford a pitcher like that at this point is if we unload salary without taking anything back, and I don't think we're in a position to do that.

I understand this...and more or less agree with the sentiments of your post. What is frustrating (and likely irrelevant) is that we did have money to spend on a guy like Yusmeiro Petit. Where did that go?

So what I'm whining about is....that the money is there...it just isn't being green lighted/used.

The entire 2M? They basically just pledged that to Hernandez on a minor league deal with incentives.

Post #5 » by **Schad** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:02 am

We probably have a few mil set aside for fringe additions. We assuredly do not have the $30m it would cost (in posting fee and salary this season) to get Maeda.

TR50 · Post #6 » by **TR50** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:39 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
TR50 wrote:
Natural11 wrote:Based on Rogers' salary cap, we don't have the money left to go after anyone significant. That's why we're hunting down pitchers at minor league or minimum deals. Chances are the front office is hiding a few million to play with at the deadline, but not $20 million.

The only way we afford a pitcher like that at this point is if we unload salary without taking anything back, and I don't think we're in a position to do that.

I understand this...and more or less agree with the sentiments of your post. What is frustrating (and likely irrelevant) is that we did have money to spend on a guy like Yusmeiro Petit. Where did that go?

So what I'm whining about is....that the money is there...it just isn't being green lighted/used.

The entire 2M? They basically just pledged that to Hernandez on a minor league deal with incentives.

I thought it was 3M (that they were offering Petit)? I'm pretty indifferent to the lack of big name signings - was never really going to happen anyways.

But my point is many of these minor league deals are not guaranteed are they? That in mind, Hernandez could very well not be on the roster come April. With a guy like Petit...well he would have been guaranteed a spot on the team. So my question then becomes...if their was a willingness to go after someone that you are certainly, 100% going to count on for the year on the major league team, while still needing to fill in minor league depth spots (which presumably would have been done), wouldn't that suggest that their is currency to spend on sure things and not just fliers? Basically...I don't think the money they were dangling for Petit is the same money they are using for Hernandez. Now if Hernandez is on the roster in April and on...well this becomes moot point...I'm not sure what is to be expected from him.

I'm not saying they aren't looking for more sure fire guys either (although unlikely)...I mean if they're keeping tabs on a guy like Fister...that's cool too.

Randle McMurphy · Post #7 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:01 am

TR50 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
TR50 wrote:
I understand this...and more or less agree with the sentiments of your post. What is frustrating (and likely irrelevant) is that we did have money to spend on a guy like Yusmeiro Petit. Where did that go?

So what I'm whining about is....that the money is there...it just isn't being green lighted/used.

The entire 2M? They basically just pledged that to Hernandez on a minor league deal with incentives.

I thought it was 3M (that they were offering Petit)? I'm pretty indifferent to the lack of big name signings - was never really going to happen anyways.

But my point is many of these minor league deals are not guaranteed are they? That in mind, Hernandez could very well not be on the roster come April. With a guy like Petit...well he would have been guaranteed a spot on the team. So my question then becomes...if their was a willingness to go after someone that you are certainly, 100% going to count on for the year on the major league team, while still needing to fill in minor league depth spots (which presumably would have been done), wouldn't that suggest that their is currency to spend on sure things and not just fliers? Basically...I don't think the money they were dangling for Petit is the same money they are using for Hernandez. Now if Hernandez is on the roster in April and on...well this becomes moot point...I'm not sure what is to be expected from him.

I'm not saying they aren't looking for more sure fire guys either (although unlikely)...I mean if they're keeping tabs on a guy like Fister...that's cool too.

Is that a good thing? I'd rather hand out minor league contracts than guaranteed MLB contracts to such pitchers if given the choice. More flexibility for the team. Though I'm definitely expecting Hernandez to be on the team right now regardless if he has a good spring.

TR50 · Post #8 » by **TR50** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:22 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
TR50 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:The entire 2M? They basically just pledged that to Hernandez on a minor league deal with incentives.

I thought it was 3M (that they were offering Petit)? I'm pretty indifferent to the lack of big name signings - was never really going to happen anyways.

But my point is many of these minor league deals are not guaranteed are they? That in mind, Hernandez could very well not be on the roster come April. With a guy like Petit...well he would have been guaranteed a spot on the team. So my question then becomes...if their was a willingness to go after someone that you are certainly, 100% going to count on for the year on the major league team, while still needing to fill in minor league depth spots (which presumably would have been done), wouldn't that suggest that their is currency to spend on sure things and not just fliers? Basically...I don't think the money they were dangling for Petit is the same money they are using for Hernandez. Now if Hernandez is on the roster in April and on...well this becomes moot point...I'm not sure what is to be expected from him.

I'm not saying they aren't looking for more sure fire guys either (although unlikely)...I mean if they're keeping tabs on a guy like Fister...that's cool too.

Is that a good thing? I'd rather hand out minor league contracts than guaranteed MLB contracts to such pitchers if given the choice. More flexibility for the team. Though I'm definitely expecting Hernandez to be on the team right now regardless if he has a good spring.

Personally speaking...for Petit? Probably not. I'm not knocking the moves made so far. And I would agree that Hernandez will likely be on the team. That being said, as a fan, I'd hope that Hernandez, Happ and Chavez are not the only potential 'key additions' made to a team that does need some help with depth. The names don't necessarily need to be flashy, and I understand the volatility of bullpen arms, but I would think there should be room to improve the club through Free Agency, even now.

RotR · Post #9 » by **RotR** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:28 am

It's not a grocery store where you just pick things off the shelf. They offered Petit more, it wasn't enough to make him come here.

Hero_Panda · Post #10 » by **Hero_Panda** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:17 pm

Just wanted to say I misread RHP as RIP. Certainly put a drastic turn on the thread, at first.

OakleyDokely · Post #11 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:22 pm

By my count, once we sign the arb guys plus fill out the roster with minimum guys, Jays have at most 5-8 mill left to spend. And I'm sure they don't want to spend all of the available funds before the season in case they need to make in-season moves. I'm guessing one more low cost reliever and the Jays are done this offseason.

North_of_Border · Post #12 » by **North_of_Border** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 10:00 pm

Signs with LA Dodgers..... 8 years and 25 million

Jays shoulda got this guy at that price. Basically, say if the winning bid was 15 million, the Dodgers got a top of the rotation arm for 5 million per season. Jays shoulda been all over this.

Santoki · Post #13 » by **Santoki** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 10:38 pm

North_of_Border wrote:Signs with LA Dodgers..... 8 years and 25 million

Jays shoulda got this guy at that price. Basically, say if the winning bid was 15 million, the Dodgers got a top of the rotation arm for 5 million per season. Jays shoulda been all over this.

The deal also includes $10-$12 million a year in incentives. No one really knows the full details of this contract yet, but the Dodgers aren't getting a top of the rotation starter for $5 million a season.

It could still be a great deal for them in the end, but if the total cost was going to be $5 million AAV, then 29 other teams would have gotten involved. Nevertheless, you needed probably $15-$20 million in posting fees and the Jays haven't historically gotten involved in that.

I'm sure fans of 29 other teams will be interested to see how this contract plays out and how Maeda performs.

The_Hater · Post #14 » by **The_Hater** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 11:18 pm

Santoki wrote:
North_of_Border wrote:Signs with LA Dodgers..... 8 years and 25 million

Jays shoulda got this guy at that price. Basically, say if the winning bid was 15 million, the Dodgers got a top of the rotation arm for 5 million per season. Jays shoulda been all over this.

The deal also includes $10-$12 million a year in incentives. No one really knows the full details of this contract yet, but the Dodgers aren't getting a top of the rotation starter for $5 million a season.

It could still be a great deal for them in the end, but if the total cost was going to be $5 million AAV, then 29 other teams would have gotten involved. Nevertheless, you needed probably $15-$20 million in posting fees and the Jays haven't historically gotten involved in that.

I'm sure fans of 29 other teams will be interested to see how this contract plays out and how Maeda performs.

We don't know much about him but it certainly does look like a great deal on the surface. I would suspect there's a player option early in the deal though.

EastBayBoy · Post #15 » by **EastBayBoy** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 1:41 am

His deal is worth 28 mill guaranteed and could reach up to ( or over 100 mil) in incentives.

North_of_Border · Post #16 » by **North_of_Border** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 2:01 am

EastBayBoy wrote:His deal is worth 28 mill guaranteed and could reach up to ( or over 100 mil) in incentives.

Better to make a guy Earn his 100 million rather than roll the dice and guarantee it to him no matter what, like the Cueto & Samardija contracts.

Dodgers will get their money's worth if he dominates... and not lose much if he is a bust.

Great deal.

EastBayBoy · Post #17 » by **EastBayBoy** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 4:44 am

North_of_Border wrote:
EastBayBoy wrote:His deal is worth 28 mill guaranteed and could reach up to ( or over 100 mil) in incentives.

Better to make a guy Earn his 100 million rather than roll the dice and guarantee it to him no matter what, like the Cueto & Samardija contracts.

Dodgers will get their money's worth if he dominates... and not lose much if he is a bust.

Great deal.

from what i've read,the incentives have more to do with him staying healthy rather than actually dominating. So he could be making up a big chunk of $$ for being a mediocre or a SP not worth close to the 100 mil. Not sure how reliable the article I read is though cause no one really knows the exact details of the contract, so don't quote me on that.