Revere dealt to Nats for Storen - confirmed

[agk47]

I liked revere's game, makes contact, runs well. Weakness is his arm and at times trying to hit the ball in the air (warning track power)

If devon is healthy, put him leadoff

Travis 2B
Donaldson 3B
Bautista RF
Encarnacion DH
Tulowitski SS
Colabello 1B
Martin C
Pillar CF
Pompey/Saunders LF

Knowing Gibby, I bet he moves Bautista into the lead off hole, and pencils one of Travis or pillar in the 9 hole where they will see a ton of fastballs and do a killer job of turning the lineup over.

[Lateral Quicks]

ignorant bandwagon fan here
could Pillar hit leadoff?

He could but it wouldn't be ideal unless he suddenly learned how to be more patient at the plate. I think when people say it doesn't really matter who leads off because anyone in the order can lead off an inning, they're saying it in the sense of it doesn't have to be someone who is fast. Personally, I just want my best hitters at the top of the lineup. When that 9th inning rolls around and the top of the order is due up, I'd rather have JD, Bau, EE coming up then Pillar, JD, Bau.

I'm not saying JD should necessarily lead off, but there's more to look at then speed when it comes to leading off.

Indeed. Ideally I want a guy who is patient and looks for his pitch; those guys tend to see more pitches which is good for the guys coming up to bat next. I think it will be Travis if he's healthy and performing like he did pre-injury. If not it will likely be whoever starts in left (Pompey or Saunders).

[bluerap23]

I liked revere's game, makes contact, runs well. Weakness is his arm and at times trying to hit the ball in the air (warning track power)

If devon is healthy, put him leadoff

Travis 2B
Donaldson 3B
Bautista RF
Encarnacion DH
Tulowitski SS
Colabello 1B
Martin C
Pillar CF
Pompey/Saunders LF

Knowing Gibby, I bet he moves Bautista into the lead off hole, and pencils one of Travis or pillar in the 9 hole where they will see a ton of fastballs and do a killer job of turning the lineup over.

I could see Joey B hitting lead off, but I think it is a waste. I would rather have Tulo and Donaldson in front of Bautista and EE.
I know a lot of people make the argument that it doesn't really matter because they only likely lead off an inning once, but the first inning is an important opportunity to score first. I have more faith in JB driving in a run than Tulo.

I'm open to Travis at a later date too.

[pingpongrac]

At this point in Bautista's career, there is absolutely no way that he's leading off to start this season.

[The_Hater]

ignorant bandwagon fan here
could Pillar hit leadoff?

Pillar will lobby for the spot but his lack of patience and incomsistancy as a hitter makes him probably the worst choice in the starting 9. In between some good months he posted an OBP of .237 in May and .280 in August.

[Fairview4Life]

Travis is the guy when healthy.

[JaysRule15]

I'll miss Revere, he was part of one of the best teams we ever had. However everyone seems excited about Storen so I'll trust you guys since I don't know as much.

I'm with you. I liked Revere as well. Good guy to have in the clubhouse and he seemed genuinely happy to be in Toronto. However, left field was an area of depth for us, while the bullpen was an area of weakness. That's why this trade makes sense. Hopefully Saunders and Pompey can at least come close to matching Revere's numbers. But having another closer-level reliever will be huge and will let us use Sanchez in a starting role if we want to. If we do keep Sanchez in the pen, then having Osuna, Sanchez, Storen and Cecil would give us arguably the best quartet of relievers in the AL. Which we'll need to keep pace with the Yankees and their overpowered bullpen lol.

[JaysRule15]

Yeah, Bautista batting leadoff wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. Seems like a waste to have a 40 HR guy bat in front of a 15-20 HR guy like Tulo. My top 4 in the lineup would be Tulo, JD, Bautista, EE. At least until Travis comes back. Then he can take over the leadoff spot if Tulo isn't comfortable there or is struggling.

[hyper316]

I liked revere's game, makes contact, runs well. Weakness is his arm and at times trying to hit the ball in the air (warning track power)

If devon is healthy, put him leadoff

Travis 2B
Donaldson 3B
Bautista RF
Encarnacion DH
Tulowitski SS
Colabello 1B
Martin C
Pillar CF
Pompey/Saunders LF

Knowing Gibby, I bet he moves Bautista into the lead off hole, and pencils one of Travis or pillar in the 9 hole where they will see a ton of fastballs and do a killer job of turning the lineup over.

Knowing gibby, he sticks to his guns. Bautista will stay batting 3rd. Tulo was struggling leadoff and took gibby forever to change things up.

[The_Hater]

Knowing Gibby, I bet he moves Bautista into the lead off hole, and pencils one of Travis or pillar in the 9 hole where they will see a ton of fastballs and do a killer job of turning the lineup over.

I'm not sure how this would be a 'knowing Gibby move'. Did he ever bat JB leadoff before? Aside from 1 month of Tulo it seems like there was always a fast, singles type hitter at the top regardless of their patience at the plate. Or the exact opposite type hitter to Joey Bats.

[Skin Blues]

Really doesn't matter who bats where, just give your best players the most plate appearances and make sure they're comfortable. Revere had no business batting in the top part of the lineup but he's gone so I don't see much of an issue here unless they do something stupid like put Pillar or Pompey (who should be at AAA anyway) at leadoff just because they're fast.

[wbbfan]

Knowing Gibby, I bet he moves Bautista into the lead off hole, and pencils one of Travis or pillar in the 9 hole where they will see a ton of fastballs and do a killer job of turning the lineup over.

I'm not sure how this would be a 'knowing Gibby move'. Did he ever bat JB leadoff before? Aside from 1 month of Tulo it seems like there was always a fast, singles type hitter at the top regardless of their patience at the plate. Or the exact opposite type hitter to Joey Bats.

No way Jose becomes a regular lead off hitter. I dont see any chance they mess with 2-3-4 as long as donaldson jose and edwin are here. I agree travis would be a good lead off fit. I could see tulo getting in there some times, pompey as well if he comes back strong.

[ratul]

We will regret this trade - badly. Revere was cheap, easily arguably an all-star, a great clubhouse guy and we traded him away for a pouty set up man. Aim for the stars, not for 2nd in the central division. We were two wins from the WS last year and the new GM seems heck bent on blowing that team up rather than adding FAs. Pathetic.

Revere wasn't cheap, he is a little overpaid for what he contributes while playing in a lineup that doesn't make very good use of his best asset (speed). We also have 2 OF's waiting in the wings who could both end up being better players than Revere in 2016. He was easily the most expendable player in the starting 9 from a trade standpoint.

Revere wasn't even close to an all-star level player. Low OBP, no power and average defense from a corner OF position means that you're closer to being a 4th OF type than an all-star and Revere may very well end up being the 4th OF with the Nationals this season. They're already talking about splitting the playing time for 3 players in LF/CF. I think that they'll find out very quickly that Revere is not a very good CF despite is speed. And he might have the worst OF arm MLB has seen in the past 20 years.

Yes Revere was a great clubhouse guy and a very likeable personality but lets not overate those attributes when an clear opportunity to improve the team was available, which is what the Jays just did.

Lol, you have NO idea what you are talking about my friend - he would command 15mn in free agency.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4712&position=OF

TERRIBLE trade

[Skin Blues]

$15M is what he was worth during a peak, healthy season. Doesn't mean he'd get that much in free agency. Yoenis Cespedes was worth $54M last year by fWAR. Do you think he'll sign for $54M/year?? Denard Span is a similar type of player to Revere and has been worth between $20-30M by fWAR in almost every healthy season of his career (including $30M in 2014) and he just signed for $10M/year. Revere is OK, but he's certainly nothing special. He's below average as both a hitter and fielder, but still good enough to be useful. He's being paid about what he's worth. It's not easy to get a reliever like Storen for such a cheap price. They usually require a 3+ year contract which adds a ton of risk.

[The_Hater]

We will regret this trade - badly. Revere was cheap, easily arguably an all-star, a great clubhouse guy and we traded him away for a pouty set up man. Aim for the stars, not for 2nd in the central division. We were two wins from the WS last year and the new GM seems heck bent on blowing that team up rather than adding FAs. Pathetic.

Revere wasn't cheap, he is a little overpaid for what he contributes while playing in a lineup that doesn't make very good use of his best asset (speed). We also have 2 OF's waiting in the wings who could both end up being better players than Revere in 2016. He was easily the most expendable player in the starting 9 from a trade standpoint.

Revere wasn't even close to an all-star level player. Low OBP, no power and average defense from a corner OF position means that you're closer to being a 4th OF type than an all-star and Revere may very well end up being the 4th OF with the Nationals this season. They're already talking about splitting the playing time for 3 players in LF/CF. I think that they'll find out very quickly that Revere is not a very good CF despite is speed. And he might have the worst OF arm MLB has seen in the past 20 years.

Yes Revere was a great clubhouse guy and a very likeable personality but lets not overate those attributes when an clear opportunity to improve the team was available, which is what the Jays just did.

Lol, you have NO idea what you are talking about my friend - he would command 15mn in free agency.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4712&position=OF

TERRIBLE trade

That tool you're using values David Price at $49 million average over the past 2 seasons. Alex Gordon is at $35 Million avg. Cespedes was $53 million last season alone and $39 average. He was just offered $15 million by the Orioles and the other 2 were significantly lower too.

Still think that's an accurate assessment?

Ya sorry but average defensive LF's with an OPS in the .700 range don't get paid $15 million.

[jaymeister15]

Lol, you have NO idea what you are talking about my friend - he would command 15mn in free agency.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4712&position=OF

TERRIBLE trade

lol hoping for your sake this is just a poorly constructed troll.

[Santoki]

Lol, you have NO idea what you are talking about my friend - he would command 15mn in free agency.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4712&position=OF

TERRIBLE trade

lol hoping for your sake this is just a poorly constructed troll.

At this point what would you rather have...poorly constructed troll jobs or completely delusional people posting?

It's a toss up for me.