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Randle McMurphy · Post #281 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:03 am

3 games under .500 after being swept at home. And a series at the Trop with Smyly/Archer looming to make the hole even deeper. Fire Shapiro, Atkins, Gibbons, Walker, Jacoby, etc.

BlueJayReyes · Post #282 » by **BlueJayReyes** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:12 am

rarefind wrote:Why is it that we expect near perfection from players but umpires get a free pass? It is baffling that a league that now allows replays on the validity on the slides into the second base bag can allow such ridiculous strike zones to impact ball games.

Strike zone looked the same for both sides.

Raptor_Guy · Post #283 » by **Raptor_Guy** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:20 am

The game to win in this series was Monday and our craptacular bullpen couldn't hold a 5-1 lead

rarefind · Post #284 » by **rarefind** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:55 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
rarefind wrote:The Hendriks for Chavez move made no sense... said it then, will say it again. For a team where money is an issue, Hendriks could easily provide what Chavez has to this point.

It makes plenty of sense on a team where Sanchez is a reliever and Chavez is a starter, which is what the Jays were designed in the offseason to be.

There were always going to be comparable options to Chavez to fill the back end of the rotation when money is an object and he was slated for arbitration.

rarefind · Post #285 » by **rarefind** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:55 am

BlueJayReyes wrote:
rarefind wrote:Why is it that we expect near perfection from players but umpires get a free pass? It is baffling that a league that now allows replays on the validity on the slides into the second base bag can allow such ridiculous strike zones to impact ball games.

Strike zone looked the same for both sides.

I'm not in disagreement. The strike zone was consistently bad, both ways.

Randle McMurphy · Post #286 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:58 am

rarefind wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
rarefind wrote:The Hendriks for Chavez move made no sense... said it then, will say it again. For a team where money is an issue, Hendriks could easily provide what Chavez has to this point.

It makes plenty of sense on a team where Sanchez is a reliever and Chavez is a starter, which is what the Jays were designed in the offseason to be.

There were always going to be comparable options to Chavez to fill the back end of the rotation when money is an object and he was slated for arbitration.

We're living in a world where a worse starting pitcher than Chavez (Ian Kennedy) got 5 years and 70M this offseason.

rarefind · Post #287 » by **rarefind** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:50 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
rarefind wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:It makes plenty of sense on a team where Sanchez is a reliever and Chavez is a starter, which is what the Jays were designed in the offseason to be.

There were always going to be comparable options to Chavez to fill the back end of the rotation when money is an object and he was slated for arbitration.

We're living in a world where a worse starting pitcher than Chavez (Ian Kennedy) got 5 years and 70M this offseason.

Dayton Moore made a stupid move after winning a WS and losing Cueto for almost double what Kennedy got. The Kennedy contract is dumb but if the money was the same, I'd much rather have Kennedy. It isn't like Hendriks couldn't be used in a starting role if it came down to it if stretched out. Granted, that would be ill advised but much cheaper. I was never warm to Chavez. Look at his home/road splits from a season ago. O.Co played very nicely into his pitching style - mediocre.

zilby · Post #288 » by **zilby** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:58 am

Real glad I was too busy to watch most of this series, other than part of the first game's collapse. Oh well.

Boogie! · Post #289 » by **Boogie!** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:37 am

team sucks right now... hopefully the raps win the series because i dont feel like watching baseball... **** gonna be depressing.

ldnk · Post #290 » by **ldnk** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:26 am

Toronto Blue Jays - 36 inherited runners - 19 inherited runners scored. 51.3% of of the players left on base are allowed in to score by the bullpen. Worst in the majors.

Starters - 67 runs (4 unearned)
Relievers - 30 runs (2 unearned)
Inherited ER - 19 runs out of 37 inherited runners

Post #291 » by **TheDoctor** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:42 am

Coupled with an 0-7 bullpen record... So last year's late game offensive heroics have been almost completely absent as well.

I haven't been able to watch much, but what I have has usually involved our bullpen giving up runs.

And so many of them with 2 strikes and/or 2 outs.

The_Hater · Post #292 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:50 am

rarefind wrote:The Hendriks for Chavez move made no sense... said it then, will say it again. For a team where money is an issue, Hendriks could easily provide what Chavez has to this point.

Why are people still talking abut this? SP depth is important and Hendricks is so awful he's going to be playing in AAA soon. Still Criticizing this trade as a Jays fan makes no sense.

The_Hater · Post #293 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:06 pm

ldnk wrote:Toronto Blue Jays - 36 inherited runners - 19 inherited runners scored. 51.3% of of the players left on base are allowed in to score by the bullpen. Worst in the majors.

Starters - 67 runs (4 unearned)
Relievers - 30 runs (2 unearned)
Inherited ER - 19 runs out of 37 inherited runners

The bullpen has been below average, it ranks 19th with a 4.03 ERA, so it's likely that the inherited runs stat is a bit flukey based on a small sample size. The offense hasn't helped either by completely disappearing late in games. The team OPS is .650 from innings 7-9.

Over the long run, I still see an above average pen and an elite offense which should be able to fix these problems just as they did last season.

Xaos · Post #294 » by **Xaos** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:41 pm

Tulo, Martin, and Goins need to get it going! We need our offense to score runs to win games. Hate seeing the good pitching from our starters (Dickey aside.) going to waste.

rarefind · Post #295 » by **rarefind** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:25 pm

The_Hater wrote:
rarefind wrote:The Hendriks for Chavez move made no sense... said it then, will say it again. For a team where money is an issue, Hendriks could easily provide what Chavez has to this point.

Why are people still talking abut this? SP depth is important and Hendricks is so awful he's going to be playing in AAA soon. Still Criticizing this trade as a Jays fan makes no sense.

Do you think that a condescending tone makes you right? I AM referencing this trade because Chavez sucked last year and is making money that could have been better allocated elsewhere. It really is that simple, Hendriks could easily be doing the job that Chavez is making 1/8th of the money to do.

The_Hater · Post #296 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:14 pm

rarefind wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
rarefind wrote:The Hendriks for Chavez move made no sense... said it then, will say it again. For a team where money is an issue, Hendriks could easily provide what Chavez has to this point.

Why are people still talking abut this? SP depth is important and Hendricks is so awful he's going to be playing in AAA soon. Still Criticizing this trade as a Jays fan makes no sense.

Do you think that a condescending tone makes you right? I AM referencing this trade because Chavez sucked last year and is making money that could have been better allocated elsewhere. It really is that simple, Hendriks could easily be doing the job that Chavez is making 1/8th of the money to do.

Sorry for the tone but people (not just you) have been complaining about this trade for months now. Hendriks is a career scrub who had a decent enough season pitching mop up duty in 2015. This year he was lit up in spring training and is now being lit up in the regular season despite playing in a pitchers park. This is more in line with his track record. Saying that he could 'easily be doing the job that Chavez is' would force us to ignore information to the contrary because he's failed to get anyone out for 2 months now. Chavez is good and Shapiro appears to have wisely sold high on a minor league pitcher to get him. Even if you don't like Chavez, having Hendriks back would only add to the bullpen issues.