Bautista a victim of his own reputation?

[Schad]

I have no idea why Jose is so hated, sports is full of knuckleheads


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Certainly don't hate Bautista; he's an all-time-great Blue Jay. But that doesn't mean that we have to pretend that he's still good when he most decidedly is not.

[Lateral Quicks]

I have no idea why Jose is so hated, sports is full of knuckleheads


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He's hated because he's always been belligerent with umpires, been standoffish or outright rude with the media, and generally very demonstrative on the field (showing up opposing pitchers, bat flips, etc.). I like the player, but the individual has always seemed like a bit of a jackass to me. He's the sort you root for because he's on your team, but despise if he's playing against you.

[johanliebert]

I have no idea why Jose is so hated, sports is full of knuckleheads


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He's hated because he's always been belligerent with umpires, been standoffish or outright rude with the media, and generally very demonstrative on the field (showing up opposing pitchers, bat flips, etc.). I like the player, but the individual has always seemed like a bit of a jackass to me. He's the sort you root for because he's on your team, but despise if he's playing against you.

I'd say donaldson is even worse with the media but doesn't have that rep. He's great with the media imo even despite the issues he had with the ped rumours and struggled this year .

Young fans don't care about bat flips., parrots or any other ways of showing up pitchers that's all entertainment to them unless you were speaking of the old timers

[johanliebert]

I have no idea why Jose is so hated, sports is full of knuckleheads


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Money. Everything went south when he turned down that extension and felt he was worth x amount of dollars.

[The_Hater]

I have no idea why Jose is so hated, sports is full of knuckleheads


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Because historically he's argued with umpires, opposing players, opposing coaches and opposing fans and he's been very demonstrative when he's frustrated or upset. He also does little things, the bat flip wasn't the first it was just the most famous, that are considered poor baseball etiquette. Those things upset opponents.

In a sport where you can't really hear the players speak but you can see their actions, Jose has historically looked like a complete dick on the field. I can even see that as a Jays fans cheering for him. And then when asked about his actions later he makes no apologies. His entire attitude was summed up when he was up for a contract extension in 2015 offseason and said that he wanted $150 million and it was non-negotiable. That attitude there probably cost him $50-70 million dollars as the Jays would have signed him to a reasonable extension.

Add it all up and you get the most hated player in MLB by both opposing players and opposing fans and one who isn't overly popular with Jays fans either considering he's probably the best hitter in franchise history.

[Asianiac_24]

We really have no place for him anymore, but I'd still love to see him back. 5M would be fair, despite his abilities he is still a big name and puts butts in the seats.


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[Cyrus]

Thank God Jose came out in 2015 with that 150 dollar figure, if he kept quiet, we'd probably signed him to a 3-4 year deal at 100 mill back then, and be now this mess with 2 more years to go.

[Double Helix]

I can't recall the specifics of some of the previous negotiations involving Jose over the past few years but can anyone layout the biggest financial mistake he made by not agreeing to what the Jays were offering earlier?

It feels like he's left a lot of money on the table because of that decision but I can't recall the machinations of some of those earlier talks in earlier years.


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[Natural11]

I can't recall the specifics of some of the previous negotiations involving Jose over the past few years but can anyone layout the biggest financial mistake he made by not agreeing to what the Jays were offering earlier?

It feels like he's left a lot of money on the table because of that decision but I can't recall the machinations of some of those earlier talks in earlier years.

Jose was reportedly seeking a 5 year / 150m+ contract before the 2016 season when negotiations began. As far as I know, a Jays counter offer was not made public.

We know the Jays were prepared to fork over 80m for Edwin in 2017. Maybe the Jays never had any intention of offering early 2016 Jose a guaranteed contract beyond 1-2 years, but for the sake of speculation, let's say the Jays offered him a hypothetical 4 year / 80m deal as well. He turns it down in early 2016 and ultimately signs the current deal in 2017.

Now instead of 80m guaranteed he gets:

2017: 18.5m (includes 500k buyout)
2018: ??
2019: ??
2020: ??

He needs to make 61.5m from 2018-2020 to break even. No one is going to pay him anything close to that. He's putting up a -1.1 WAR and may not even be able to field beyond 2017.

If he was offered any kind of long term deal pre-2016, he goofed by not accepting it. He hurt his value in 2016 and completely tanked it in 2017.

[johanliebert]

Thank God Jose came out in 2015 with that 150 dollar figure, if he kept quiet, we'd probably signed him to a 3-4 year deal at 100 mill back then, and be now this mess with 2 more years to go.

Who cares nobody here is footing the bill.

[North_of_Border]

Thank God Jose came out in 2015 with that 150 dollar figure, if he kept quiet, we'd probably signed him to a 3-4 year deal at 100 mill back then, and be now this mess with 2 more years to go.

Who cares nobody here is footing the bill.

No one here us putting the bill yes, but it would have prevented the team from spending elsewhere. They have a budget and they gotta stick to it.

Example. They offered Edwin a hefry contract. Edwin declined. They signed Morales instead with some of that money. Then Edwin asks for even less money. But Jays don't sign him as they committed to Morales already.

Jose's contract would have been like Tulo and Martin. A huge burden.....imagine if the Jays could spend 40 million elsewhere instead of these Tulo and Martin. Makes a huge difference

[Skin Blues]

Thank God Jose came out in 2015 with that 150 dollar figure, if he kept quiet, we'd probably signed him to a 3-4 year deal at 100 mill back then, and be now this mess with 2 more years to go.

Who cares nobody here is footing the bill.

Well first of all, most people here are footing the bill if they pay for Rogers Cable, buy Jays apparel, buy tickets to games, etc. Fans also care because if the team wastes money on bad players there's less money to spend on good players.

[The_Hater]

Thank God Jose came out in 2015 with that 150 dollar figure, if he kept quiet, we'd probably signed him to a 3-4 year deal at 100 mill back then, and be now this mess with 2 more years to go.

Who cares nobody here is footing the bill.

All MLB teams have budgets, if they're spending all that money on old, crappy players then you get to cheer for a old, crappy team. So yes, the fans should care.