Stroman sounds off on losing arbitration

[Skin Blues]

They may have tried working it out with him already, who knows. And it's not just $400K. It's cumulative so that $400K is multiplied by every subsequent year he's arb eligible, since arbitration salaries are calculated as a raise on top of your previous year's salary. So $400K x 2018, 2019, 2020 = $1.2M total he just lost. That's pretty significant. This is how business works, you can't give a player an extra $1.2M just because he's a whiny kid and you don't want him throwing a temper tantrum.

[jaymeister15]

Dude makes more in a year than any of us make in a lifetime. Bad optics to complain about your bruised feelings as a privileged gazillionaire when the news of the day involves real human tragedy and pain.
#HeightDoesntMeasurePerspective

So, I take it you've never complained about anything in your life? Because I'm sure whenever you have complained, there have been people going through a lot worse.

[phillipmike]

This is what i dont get. Players have gone to arbitration and lost - two main examples are Donaldson from 2015 and Osuna from a few weeks ago. They lost and dealt with it - they or their agents did not call out the team in public like Sanchez had Boras do last season and Stroman just did.

But because Stroman cant deal with what was said about him (im sure this stuff was said last year too) and Sanchez didnt like the free money he was offered the Jays are suppose to give into them? Dont pay the guys who lost and were professionals about losing but pay the guys who lost, cant deal with it and go to the media to cry and complain? That makes no sense.

Gord Ash was on TSN1050 this morning and he says if you draw a hard line on your salary offer and have that threat of going to arbitration then you have a higher success rate of deals completed prior to filing for arbitration. If you blink once for Stroman or anyone else then you lose your position and then your success rate for a deal prior diminishes and you are paying more money.

Ash: Stroman creates a chip on his shoulder to perform better

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/ash-stroman-creates-a-chip-on-his-shoulder-to-perform-better-1.1001276

Some think that the Jays are cheap for not giving him 400k more. But if you are objective you can look at it as the Jays offered Stroman 6.5M to spare him the arb process and potentially his feelings if he thought the Jays might hurt him - he said no to the 6.5M because he thought that extra 400k was that much more important. Stroman so strongly believed in his case that he was willing to risk getting his feelings hurt for 400k - his decision that he made (made it last season too for 500k+ and won) and now he has to deal with the results and clearly he cant deal with his decision or he can, im not sure - he said he was thick skinned but then delete the tweet, so is he thick skinned or not? And by the looks of it an impartial arbitrator ruled that Stroman overvalued himself - how is this on the Jays?

Stroman winning his case last year;

Read on Twitter

"Really enjoyed the process." - I wonder what changed because i know the arb process didnt.

Read on Twitter

Be as humble in losing as you are in winning.

[polo007]

Read on Twitter

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https://www.tsn.ca/stroman-blames-frustration-for-tweets-open-to-long-term-extension-1.1001639

Toronto Blue Jays starter Marcus Stroman had a lot to say Friday, one day after he took to Twitter to express frustration over his arbitration hearing with the team.

“It’s an extremely tough process and I went through it last year. I went through it again this year; it’s not a process that’s enjoyable at all. I was frustrated,” Stroman told reporters.

“I tweeted pretty much that happens during the arbitration case, which is when the other side doesn’t say very nice things about you and they bring up your entire career. So it’s tough. It’s tough to sit in a room like that for five hours and listen to all the things that date back to the time I was in the big leagues.”

While Stroman says the process was a frustrating one, he has no hard feelings with general manager Ross Atkins or the organization.

“I was frustrated. I don’t think I’m wrong for being frustrated. I may have been wrong for taking it to Twitter, but those are my true emotions and how I felt,” he said. “Like I said, my relationship between the team and I hasn’t changed at all. I talked to Ross this morning. It’s still extremely strong. It will not change my idea at all of signing a multi-year or anything going forward.”

Stroman added that neither side has discussed an extension but he hopes that will happen soon.

Stroman broke the news Thursday that he lost his arbitration case and will be paid $6.5 million in 2018 instead of the $6.9 million he was seeking.

[Mehar]

Guy got a substantial raise from last year. This is what arbitration is. Twitter is not the forum to complain about this process, where you got 400 K than you wanted. Shut up, and be a professional. Go out there and show the team on the field, and not with twitter fingers.

[dagger]

Lost in this kerfuffle is that Stroman has showed up with an additional pitch - a sidearm delivery.

This is from The Athletic, so I am only going to give an excerpt

On Wednesday morning, we had noticed something different as Stroman threw on the outfield grass of an otherwise deserted Dunedin Stadium.
He was using a sidearm delivery. Occasionally, it was almost submarine style.
When he spotted cameras pointed his way, he told us to stop shooting.
Later in the clubhouse, he approached us and politely said he wanted to explain. Cranking pitches sidearm-style was a new trick, and he did not want opponents to see video of it before he introduced it in a game.
Well then, would he be willing to talk about it in an interview? Definitely, he said.
A day later, Stroman spoke to us in great detail about the new delivery, which he plans to use sparingly but strategically. He was excited.
...
Besides giving batters a different look, what does the pitch actually do?
He chuckled.
“It's nasty,” he said.

[JaysRule15]

Man, I loved the chip on Stroman's shoulder when he was first drafted. He was determined to not let his height prevent him from making it.

But dude, you've made it now. Literally no one is out there claiming that Stroman can't be a starter because he's too short. At this point, the only person making a big deal out of Stroman's height is...Stroman himself.

I get why he's doing it. It's to promote his brand and sell his products. But this constantly adversarial and egotistical attitude where he thinks everyone's out to get him is really wearing thin.

He chose to go through arbitration again despite knowing what the process was like last year. He won last year and was happy with the process. This year, he lost and he takes it out on the team? Not a good look at all.

[SharoneWright]

The process is dumb to begin with but why are we fighting with one of our top pitchers for $400k?

Have to draw the line somewhere, and this silliness is mostly on Stroman. That said, Stroman's arb request was below his projection, so I'd have been more willing to settle with him than if he had asked for the moon.

Stroman def has some reactionary stuff on Twitter and social media. And I get drawing the line somewhere, but it seems a bit ridiculous that you're willing to pay one of your best young guys 6.5 million, he's asking for 6.9 million and you can't work out 400k before going to arbitration.

Ya. Lose-Lose situation. Usually in a negotiation, you look for a win-win outcome,, but here the Jays lose by looking stupid and cheap, and Marcus loses by acting like a baby.

[Lateral Quicks]

Is it necessary for the player to be present in the hearing? Can't the agent take care of it on their behalf? Probably best for the player to not be there since it is, by its very nature, an adversarial process.

[SharoneWright]

Is it necessary for the player to be present in the hearing? Can't the agent take care of it on their behalf? Probably best for the player to not be there since it is, by its very nature, an adversarial process.

I'm pretty sure it's mandated. A process dating back to the 70's. As someone who's occasionally been known to resist change, even I think this process could use a little revamping.

[The_Hater]

Some Jay’s fans need to stop thinking that their players are the only ones who might be upset at both the things that are said and at losing arbitration. This will be a whole lot of nothing when it comes time to talk contract again next year.

[North_of_Border]

Mike Trout, Ohtani and a bad contract for Stroman and Tulo.

Angels can have Stroman and we will take on the Pujols contract too.

Problem solved.


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Stroman is getting a x2 raise. It’s not about the 400k.
He is unhappy about the things said about him during the arbitration, when he chose to go there and be part of it. But that’s how arb works, the team isn’t going to say nice things about you.
Your team will pull out all the stats and comparisons to make a case for themselves.

No one is questioning that Stroman is valuable and our best pitcher last year. But the dude is not a free agent. The rules work differently.

[Mattd97]

public: 'athletes stop being so reserved, show some personality!'
athlete: 'this is how i feel (a pretty reasonable feeling)'
public: 'man players should just shut up'

[dagger]

public: 'athletes stop being so reserved, show some personality!'
athlete: 'this is how i feel (a pretty reasonable feeling)'
public: 'man players should just shut up'

Yes, that's a trend. I do note that while Stroman has actually apologized for his Twitter reaction and moved on, we continue to discuss it. Time for us to move on.

[Yeezus_]

Why is there an arbitration process in baseball anyways?

[JaysRule15]

Why is there an arbitration process in baseball anyways?

Arbitration process is in place because there's no restricted free agency. Because there's no salary cap in baseball, big market teams could easily poach talent from smaller teams in a restricted free agency system.

[Skin Blues]

Why is there an arbitration process in baseball anyways?

Compromise between standard rookie contracts and free agency. It allows the better players to make more than the bad ones, but not as much as the ones who have more service time.

The MLBPA is comprised of players who have been around a while. When they decide on what concessions they'll make in return for getting things like a higher luxury tax, lack of salary cap, etc, they often choose to make things worse for the rookies since the following seasons' rookies don't get a vote yet, and the players that have waited this long to get the rewards of free agency, etc, dont' want to concede those things to help the younger generation. Young players in general get screwed.

The union seems to be happy that they have unfettered free agency despite the fact it takes 7 years of MLB service (after 2-3 years of MiLB service) to have the luxury of being a free agent. The "reserve clause" era is still alive and well for 90% of players as they basically can't choose the team they play for and there's zero competition from other teams until they're about 30 years old and in their decline phase.

I don't think there's any way they can force teams to keep spending money on old players, so the next CBA might knock off a year of team control so players reach free agency a year earlier.

[Schad]

The union seems to be happy that they have unfettered free agency despite the fact it takes 7 years of MLB service (after 2-3 years of MiLB service) to have the luxury of being a free agent. The "reserve clause" era is still alive and well for 90% of players as they basically can't choose the team they play for and there's zero competition from other teams until they're about 30 years old and in their decline phase.

I don't think there's any way they can force teams to keep spending money on old players, so the next CBA might knock off a year of team control so players reach free agency a year earlier.

That's the danger of the game that the owners have played this offseason. The union has been content to screw over younger players because salaries on the back end were rising. If the owners are going to put the brakes on with free agent contracts, we're going to see a major fight in the next CBA negotiation.