May 11-13 Red Sox vs Blue Jays - Oy Vey! Only the Yankees would be worse

rotty · Post #101 » by **rotty** » Sun May 13, 2018 8:14 pm

again rivera sends solarte... why..

also gaviglio is good so far. better than biagini...

vaff87 · Post #102 » by **vaff87** » Sun May 13, 2018 8:19 pm

This umpire calls everything on the outside corner. :lol:

So_Fresh · Post #103 » by **So_Fresh** » Sun May 13, 2018 8:24 pm

Biagini is trash.. Send him down to AAA.

Morales is garbage.... dfa him already. pisses me off! ffs!

I hate losing close games to a division rival. We had our chances today.

So_Fresh · Post #104 » by **So_Fresh** » Sun May 13, 2018 9:09 pm

At least it was a close game. Glad i'm not a Tampa Bay fan lol. 17-1.

Natural11 · Post #105 » by **Natural11** » Sun May 13, 2018 9:45 pm

How is this team still above .500? Lol. Just terrible to watch. No starting pitching to speak of and a sketchy offense with multiple sub .200 hitters. If not for the bullpen, Kevin Pillar and clutch Luke Maile, we would be among the worst in the league.

The weird part of all of this is the starters do have the talent to go on a run. So in 2-3 weeks we could be in a wild card spot or on a slide to the basement and I wouldn't be surprised either way.

BitsAndGlory · Post #106 » by **BitsAndGlory** » Sun May 13, 2018 10:34 pm

I actually thought we were gonna be decent this year.

Not liking what I'm seeing lately.

*sigh*

dballislife · Post #107 » by **dballislife** » Mon May 14, 2018 12:46 am

biagini as a starter has been a disaster, meanwhile hes been a very good pen arm in the majors

dagger · Post #108 » by **dagger** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:00 am

Natural11 wrote:How is this team still above .500? Lol. Just terrible to watch. No starting pitching to speak of and a sketchy offense with multiple sub .200 hitters. If not for the bullpen, Kevin Pillar and clutch Luke Maile, we would be among the worst in the league.

The weird part of all of this is the starters do have the talent to go on a run. So in 2-3 weeks we could be in a wild card spot or on a slide to the basement and I wouldn't be surprised either way.

The thing I dislike about this team is that they are boring to watch most days/nights. I watch pretty well religiously, for as long as I can stand, but there is nothing special about anything they do. They aren't athletic, they don't do anything the least bit unpredictable, except how they manage to screw up - that's they can do with a certain elan.

dballislife · Post #109 » by **dballislife** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:07 am

our team actually really sucks but if you look around the league's starting rotations, a lot of them really suck too, just enough for us to hang around most nights

TheDunc · Post #110 » by **TheDunc** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:09 am

dagger wrote:
Natural11 wrote:How is this team still above .500? Lol. Just terrible to watch. No starting pitching to speak of and a sketchy offense with multiple sub .200 hitters. If not for the bullpen, Kevin Pillar and clutch Luke Maile, we would be among the worst in the league.

The weird part of all of this is the starters do have the talent to go on a run. So in 2-3 weeks we could be in a wild card spot or on a slide to the basement and I wouldn't be surprised either way.

The thing I dislike about this team is that they are boring to watch most days/nights. I watch pretty well religiously, for as long as I can stand, but there is nothing special about anything they do. They aren't athletic, they don't do anything the least bit unpredictable, except how they manage to screw up - that's they can do with a certain elan.

yeah i agree, team is boring to watch granted there have been alot of close games to start the season. The blue jays just dont have many athletic or young players at the moment. I cant wait for Vlad Jr, Bichette, Hernandez, Biggio and Alford all playing at the same time, then hopefully we'll have a fun team to watch.

Natural11 · Post #111 » by **Natural11** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 am

dagger wrote:
Natural11 wrote:How is this team still above .500? Lol. Just terrible to watch. No starting pitching to speak of and a sketchy offense with multiple sub .200 hitters. If not for the bullpen, Kevin Pillar and clutch Luke Maile, we would be among the worst in the league.

The weird part of all of this is the starters do have the talent to go on a run. So in 2-3 weeks we could be in a wild card spot or on a slide to the basement and I wouldn't be surprised either way.

The thing I dislike about this team is that they are boring to watch most days/nights. I watch pretty well religiously, for as long as I can stand, but there is nothing special about anything they do. They aren't athletic, they don't do anything the least bit unpredictable, except how they manage to screw up - that's they can do with a certain elan.

I'm in the 'blow it up' camp. Our minor league pitching depth is non-existent. The best we can hope for is that another team like the 2015 Jays want to go on a run and are willing to part with some pitching talent to do it.

Unfortunately, all of our top earners are playing at levels far below their salaries, or injured. Maybe we can get something for Donaldson if he goes on a run, but guys like Tulo and Morales are on their retirement contracts. Probably just as well to keep Russell to mentor Jansen next year. The market for $20million catchers hitting .150 is probably scarce.

Post #112 » by **Schad** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 am

Basically, our offense hits dingers and does little else, and we aren't getting the same luck we did early in the year (though thanks to that luck, we're still 17th in wOBA and 7th in runs scored, which is hard to do). Still plenty of time to turn it around, but we're also a couple bad weeks -- and a couple weeks of continued success for the Angels -- away from being a serious longshot.

dagger · Post #113 » by **dagger** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:35 am

Another thing that makes it hard to watch this team is that Gibby is pretty much forced to play a bunch of vets who are underperforming but because of their contracts can neither be DFA'd yet or benched. I mean Morales is... well... I don't have to say anything. Russell Martin is basically in decline at the plate and in the field. He's actually more impressive throwing out runners from third base than from behind the plate. Smoak is pretty much the only vet who intrigues me, and more for his excellent D. And because of the veteran dross, guys like Gurriel or Alford are brought in with limited chance to get comfortable, because of the need to put up a facade of being competitive. I'll know when the rebuild or retooling is on when these young guys come in and play every day, every AB, every inning in the field, with the chance to make mistakes and work through slumps, and get comfortable with the lights and turf. It just aint happening.

SharoneWright · Post #114 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon May 14, 2018 2:23 am

not sure if you guys watch House of Cards, but I'm convinced Joe Biagini doubles as Eric Rawlings, Frank Underwood's gay personal trainer:

emptytheclip · Post #115 » by **emptytheclip** » Mon May 14, 2018 2:23 am

It’s hard to see this team a serious wild card team until this pitching turns around.
Regardless of how good their offense is to start the season.

emptytheclip · Post #116 » by **emptytheclip** » Mon May 14, 2018 2:25 am

dagger wrote:
Natural11 wrote:How is this team still above .500? Lol. Just terrible to watch. No starting pitching to speak of and a sketchy offense with multiple sub .200 hitters. If not for the bullpen, Kevin Pillar and clutch Luke Maile, we would be among the worst in the league.

The weird part of all of this is the starters do have the talent to go on a run. So in 2-3 weeks we could be in a wild card spot or on a slide to the basement and I wouldn't be surprised either way.

The thing I dislike about this team is that they are boring to watch most days/nights. I watch pretty well religiously, for as long as I can stand, but there is nothing special about anything they do. They aren't athletic, they don't do anything the least bit unpredictable, except how they manage to screw up - that's they can do with a certain elan.

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dagger wrote:The Prodigal Son has arrived (finally)

Deck McGuire has been promoted to the major league 25, Lourdes Gurriel Jr has been optioned to Buffalo.

Carlos Ramirez DFA'd

Was kinda hoping Lourdes would rejoin AA.
That lineup was filthy when he was down there. And that was before Biggio, Ramirez, Cantwell were hitting like mofos

BigLeagueChew · Post #117 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Mon May 14, 2018 2:30 am

Fangraphs now projects us for 84 wins before todays games, as well as the Mariners. They lost Cano today for 4 to 6 weeks. The Angels projected for 88 wins and they won today. I thought it might come down to our series against but them a 5-6 win gap isn't very comfortable even it's just a projection.

Some projections like the Angels playoff chances more than even the Yankees. But am not sure why? the Yankees project for 99 wins the same as the freaking Red Sox. They're is only so many wins to go around.

I think we'll need the Astros to handle the Angels for a few games, let alone the Jays later this month and in June.

Lateral Quicks · Post #118 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Mon May 14, 2018 3:17 am

Biagini as a starter is not working. Not sure how much more they need to see before ending the experiment. I just hope he's effective in a bullpen role.

flatjacket1 · Post #119 » by **flatjacket1** » Mon May 14, 2018 12:41 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:Biagini as a starter is not working. Not sure how much more they need to see before ending the experiment. I just hope he's effective in a bullpen role.

He always struggled with command, even in the bullpen. It's just that you are less likely to get burned in 1 inning, both due to SSS and not having to mix up looks. I'd keep him as a starter but leave him in AAA and acquire some more depth.

Both BABIP and injury wise, it's pretty easy to say we actually are better than our record. I wouldn't give up yet, but closer to July we will see if we stayed in the pack or fell off and should look at salvaging some pending FA's.

Maddogfromto · Post #120 » by **Maddogfromto** » Mon May 14, 2018 1:02 pm

BigLeagueChew wrote:
nonc wrote:
Martin's contract is Vernon Wells territory.

Not even close to Wells territory.

Wells will have received ~$45 million from the Blue Jays, $67.1 million from the Angels, and $13.9 million from the Yankees since 2008. ( approx 126 million, Wells made 21 million for not even playing)

Martin was 5 years 82 million and is a free agent after next season.

Tulo and Morales are the contracts they need to worry about most.

Tulo’s goes down to 14 mill after next year, I don’t see how that can be crippling

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