2018-19 Offseason Thread

[Schad]

That's what made Beltre great. None of that was particularly real; he was having as much fun with it as everyone else. No one in baseball had his talent for looking murderously angry to perpetuate a silly joke.

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[Schad]

Would appear that Jordan Romano is the biggest name left off. That's a slight bit of a surprise to me, as I'd have thought that he'd be a likely candidate for a bullpen role next season.

[SharoneWright]

Management needs to justify their trades for Thornton, Perez, Waguespack,.. they didn't draft Romano.

[polo007]

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The Jays decided to leave relievers Travis Bergen and Corey Copping, acquired at the trade deadline in exchange for John Axford, unprotected, and their bullpen-only upside is the reason why.

Each and every player protected Tuesday is seen as a potential rotation option, while these two are not.

However, Copping and Bergen, a southpaw, are both ready for Triple-A and could factor into the Jays’ bullpen mix in 2019 if they’re still in the organization.

The fact they left Markham, Ont., product Jordan Romano off the 40-man for the second straight winter probably says a lot about how they view the 25-year-old’s long-term rotation potential, but they’ll be hoping he sneaks through like last December.

Hard-throwing reliever Jackson McClelland, 2015 first-round right-hander Jon Harris, 2014 first-round catcher Max Pentecost, as well as Wall, acquired as part of the package from the Colorado Rockies in exchange for Seunghwan Oh, are the other semi-notable names left unprotected.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2018/11/20/blue-jays-exercise-right-to-not-share-arms.html

The Jays could create space on the 40-man roster — to sign free agents, trade for help or make Rule 5 claims of their own — by parting ways with the likes of Yangervis Solarte, Mark Leiter Jr., Dalton Pompey and Jonathan Davis. Solarte — whose contract option wasn’t picked up — could be non-tendered by the Nov. 30 deadline to make offers to arbitration-eligible players, which would open a spot.

[SharoneWright]

Jon Harris was a cataclysmically bad pick from the very first minute.

[Al_Oliver]

Jon Harris was a cataclysmically bad pick from the very first minute.

St. Alex strikes again... oh wait, we're not supposed to say anything negative about the chosen one

[bartron_44]

I have a feeling Copping, Bergen and McClelland will find their way onto the 40 man roster before the rule 5 draft. Heck, I want Copping and Bergen on the 25 man roster in our bullpen.

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I have a feeling Copping, Bergen and McClelland will find their way onto the 40 man roster before the rule 5 draft. Heck, I want Copping and Bergen on the 25 man roster in our bullpen.

Solarte and Leiter seem like unlikely candidates to make the 2019 roster. But they also need a sacrificial lamb or two to make room for Vlad in April and perhaps others.

[Skin Blues]

I have a feeling Copping, Bergen and McClelland will find their way onto the 40 man roster before the rule 5 draft. Heck, I want Copping and Bergen on the 25 man roster in our bullpen.

Solarte and Leiter seem like unlikely candidates to make the 2019 roster. But they also need a sacrificial lamb or two to make room for Vlad in April and perhaps others.

Tulo to 60 day DL. That's why we keep him around, isn't it?

[Schad]

I have a feeling Copping, Bergen and McClelland will find their way onto the 40 man roster before the rule 5 draft. Heck, I want Copping and Bergen on the 25 man roster in our bullpen.

Yesterday was the deadline; anyone not on the 40-man now is Rule 5 eligible.

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[BigLeagueChew]

Paxton to the Yankees. Any thoughts on him? Is he going to be slightly worse in the AL East? Hasn't thrown more than 160 innings in a season yet.

Maybe like a Drew Pomeranz where he slowly gets worse or is he more likely to get better?

[Schad]

Paxton to the Yankees. Any thoughts on him? Is he going to be slightly worse in the AL East? Hasn't thrown more than 160 innings in a season yet.

Maybe like a Drew Pomeranz where he slowly gets worse or is he more likely to get better?

He's one of the best in baseball, when he starts. Yankees are a team that can easily live with the possibility of him missing games, and even with the missed games he's 14th in pitcher fWAR over the past three seasons.

[phillipmike]

Paxton to the Yankees. Any thoughts on him? Is he going to be slightly worse in the AL East? Hasn't thrown more than 160 innings in a season yet.

Maybe like a Drew Pomeranz where he slowly gets worse or is he more likely to get better?

His numbers shouldnt be as good pitching in the AL East but he will get wins when he pitches (15-20 wins) because of the offense but i do worry about his health. If he is healthy he will be money for them.

But i get Pomeranz vibes too. Though at least he had 2.5 seasons, with Paxton he only has 2 seasons and if he doesnt impress in year one he may not have a lot rope like Gray. Yankees have seen 4 Red Sox WS in the last 15 years and 2 since their last one in 2009. The Yankees will have everyone on a short leash, they have a big window but now is the time to really make an impact with Judge, Torres, Severino, Andujar and others on pre arb deals.

If Paxton works out i think he will be huge for them. But it isnt a move i would have made.

Severino, Tanaka, Corbin, Happ, Gray/German/Cessa/Sheffield/Loaisiga would have been enough for me (i would not have re-signed Sabathia). Then when Happ and Gray expires you have Severino, Corbin and Tanaka (assuming they re-sign him) and then in two years you hope two of German, Sheffield, or Loaisiga are ready for full time spots. Still have Abreau, Acevedo, Stephen and Adams.

I would take my chances on 3 staples in the rotation then have my heavy pipeline of pitchers including Sheffield to fill my 4th and 5th spots for dirty cheap. Although they got a good price on Paxton he is injury prone, untested in the playoffs, has much less years of control and with a higher cost.

[SharoneWright]

Yankees smart to find another lefty, considering the ridiculous short porch in RF.

[Schad]

His numbers shouldnt be as good pitching in the AL East but he will get wins when he pitches (15-20 wins) because of the offense but i do worry about his health. If he is healthy he will be money for them.

But i get Pomeranz vibes too. Though at least he had 2.5 seasons, with Paxton he only has 2 seasons and if he doesnt impress in year one he may not have a lot rope like Gray. Yankees have seen 4 Red Sox WS in the last 15 years and 2 since their last one in 2009. The Yankees will have everyone on a short leash, they have a big window but now is the time to really make an impact with Judge, Torres, Severino, Andujar and others on pre arb deals.

If Paxton works out i think he will be huge for them. But it isnt a move i would have made.

Severino, Tanaka, Corbin, Happ, Gray/German/Cessa/Sheffield/Loaisiga would have been enough for me (i would not have re-signed Sabathia). Then when Happ and Gray expires you have Severino, Corbin and Tanaka (assuming they re-sign him) and then in two years you hope two of German, Sheffield, or Loaisiga are ready for full time spots. Still have Abreau, Acevedo, Stephen and Adams.

I would take my chances on 3 staples in the rotation then have my heavy pipeline of pitchers including Sheffield to fill my 4th and 5th spots for dirty cheap. Although they got a good price on Paxton he is injury prone, untested in the playoffs, has much less years of control and with a higher cost.

Short answer is that the Yankees are in an arms race. They won 100 games and weren't even close to the Red Sox for the division title, and with the Astros looking to load up further their likely path in the playoffs for the next couple years goes coin flip game/Boston or Houston in the ALDS. Now, it might be sensible for them to keep their powder dry a little bit and prepare for the payroll bombs of those teams to go off, but in New York that's a very tough sell.

Ultimately, it's good for us, so long as we remain patient. It will be virtually impossible for the Red Sox to keep their team together, and if they Yankees want to load up on Stantonesque contracts and guys with limited team control to go toe-to-toe with them in 2019 and 2020 (and empty their farm system in the process), all the better.

[phillipmike]

Short answer is that the Yankees are in an arms race. They won 100 games and weren't even close to the Red Sox for the division title, and with the Astros looking to load up further their likely path in the playoffs for the next couple years goes coin flip game/Boston or Houston in the ALDS. Now, it might be sensible for them to keep their powder dry a little bit and prepare for the payroll bombs of those teams to go off, but in New York that's a very tough sell.

Ultimately, it's good for us, so long as we remain patient. It will be virtually impossible for the Red Sox to keep their team together, and if they Yankees want to load up on Stantonesque contracts and guys with limited team control to go toe-to-toe with them in 2019 and 2020 (and empty their farm system in the process), all the better.

If i understand you point(s) correctly then i cant disagree with anything you said especially the bold.

[Schad]

Think we're pretty well on the same page. It's good value for the Yankees in a neutral environment; they're in one hell of a fight though. Reaching the ALCS will never be as difficult as it was in 2018, and will likely be in 2019. I'm really glad that we were forced to step back, because the top of the AL is an ungodly killing machine right now...I feel for the poor Rays/A's, both of which have pulled off incredible feats of management at the worst possible time.