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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#21 » by phillipmike » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:46 am

Tanner wrote:I'm ok with Roark and Anderson, but I agree that the next SP acquisition has to be a significant step above league average. So either Ryu, Keuchel, or just roll with internal options.



Why are you here? You just made 24M, go celebrate.

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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#22 » by polo007 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:36 am

Durability leads Blue Jays to starter Tanner Roark despite red flag - TSN.ca

SAN DIEGO — Ross Atkins won’t be flying home Thursday empty-handed after all.

Quiet on the first two days of the 2019 MLB Winter Meetings inside the Manchester Grand Hyatt on the shores of the Pacific Coast in San Diego, the Blue Jays struck Wednesday by agreeing to terms with right-handed starter Tanner Roark, according to a source.

The deal is a two-year pact worth a total of $24 million, and will be made official once the 33-year-old passes a physical.

Roark isn’t Gerrit Cole, who the New York Yankees reeled in late Tuesday night with a monster deal that will pay him $324 million over the next nine years, but he’s a clear rotation upgrade for Atkins & Co., giving the Jays a reliable mid-rotation starter with a history of staying healthy and taking the ball every fifth day.

With the ink on the contract still drying and not yet official, Atkins declined to comment on Roark specifically Wednesday, but there’s no doubt durability and reliability is the draw here.

“It’s not that we went into this free-agent season or off-season thinking we have to get guys that have only been durable, but that is a very important piece to the equation in almost every starting pitcher category,” Atkins said. “Starting pitchers who are dependable, reliable, who also get very high strikeout rates and don’t walk guys and keep the ball in the ballpark end up getting the type of contract that you see at the very, very top of the market. They are rare, guys who do all of those things.”


The latter are the Cole types. Roark at least has the dependability part down pat.

No, the Roark signing isn’t going to satisfy Blue Jays fans clamouring for massive improvement — nor should it, not even close — but they’re a better team today than they were yesterday, and that’s at least a start.

It’s not a sexy one, though.

Roark’s overall body of work across seven big-league seasons — the majority of it coming with the Washington Nationals — is solid enough, as the Illinois native and 25th-round pick of the Texas Rangers in 2008 holds a career 3.71 ERA.

In 2014 and 2016, Roark was terrific, out-pitching his peripherals and registering ERAs of 2.85 and 2.83, respectively, to post matching seasons of 3.3 fWAR.

That’s a really good ceiling for the modest price, but Roark has authored ERAs over 4.24 in four of the last five seasons, and that range should be the realistic projection moving forward.

With a career high of 210 innings (2016), the burly righty has also made 30-plus starts in five of the last six campaigns, making him by far the most reliable arm on the current Blue Jays staff.
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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#23 » by Scott Hall » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:42 am

Can't wait to see what his numbers will be in the AL East. There's so many of these number 3-5 starters around
that are just recyclable it kind of amazes me you can't find guys in the minors that can provide this production
instead of paying $12 mill a year for one.

Expected these type of FA signings going in and we're still early in the rebuild so can't complain.
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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#24 » by Lateral Quicks » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:13 am

That's a fair amount for a guy as mediocre as Roark who's entering his age 34 season. Hopefully he pitches well enough to be tradable if one of the young guys pushes him out.
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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#25 » by Duffman100 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:19 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:That's a fair amount for a guy as mediocre as Roark who's entering his age 34 season. Hopefully he pitches well enough to be tradable if one of the young guys pushes him out.


Sure, but what else are we spending our money on? :lol:
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Post#26 » by Lateral Quicks » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:00 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Lateral Quicks wrote:That's a fair amount for a guy as mediocre as Roark who's entering his age 34 season. Hopefully he pitches well enough to be tradable if one of the young guys pushes him out.


Sure, but what else are we spending our money on? :lol:


Ideally I'd rather save that money and spend it in future years when the team is more competitive (but Rogers doesn't budget that way), or spend more and get a better player.

I'm not a fan of spending money on #4 and #5 types - I'd rather league minimum young prospects fill those roles. Granted our rotation is in shambles though, so Roark may be the #1 guy come opening day. But he really should be a #4.
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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#27 » by Wo1verine » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:01 pm

Steamer projecting Roark for a 5.16 ERA.

Who knows what happens in the end but chances are this signing isn't going to end up being very good.

They could have used Anderson and Roarks money and put it towards a better pitcher.
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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#28 » by Skin Blues » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:59 pm

Wo1verine wrote:Steamer projecting Roark for a 5.16 ERA.

Who knows what happens in the end but chances are this signing isn't going to end up being very good.

They could have used Anderson and Roarks money and put it towards a better pitcher.

They're projecting him for 1.72 HR/9 which is kind of insane. Not only is it well above anything he's ever allowed, but even since the new Rabbit Ball the past two seasons only 3 qualified pitchers have done that. To say that's his mean expectation, and that half of the theoretical outcomes will be worse than that, is crazy. He's not gonna be great, but something seems wonky in the formula.
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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#29 » by Schad » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:19 am

Skin Blues wrote:They're projecting him for 1.72 HR/9 which is kind of insane. Not only is it well above anything he's ever allowed, but even since the new Rabbit Ball the past two seasons only 3 qualified pitchers have done that. To say that's his mean expectation, and that half of the theoretical outcomes will be worse than that, is crazy. He's not gonna be great, but something seems wonky in the formula.


Particularly when they have his GB% normalizing over last year's career low. I'm not going to do the math on what he'd need for a HR/FB rate to achieve that, but I'm guessing the answer is "most".
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Re: Jays Sign SP Tanner Roark 

Post#30 » by Skin Blues » Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:29 pm

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Skin Blues wrote:They're projecting him for 1.72 HR/9 which is kind of insane. Not only is it well above anything he's ever allowed, but even since the new Rabbit Ball the past two seasons only 3 qualified pitchers have done that. To say that's his mean expectation, and that half of the theoretical outcomes will be worse than that, is crazy. He's not gonna be great, but something seems wonky in the formula.


Particularly when they have his GB% normalizing over last year's career low. I'm not going to do the math on what he'd need for a HR/FB rate to achieve that, but I'm guessing the answer is "most".

Looking at the Steamer projections more closely, there are 18 guys projected for a HR/9 >1.7 and also at least 20 starts. Including: Chase Anderson at 1.91 HR/9, Trent Thornton and Matt Shoemaker at 1.74. All would be career highs, by far. Shoemaker has HR/9 under 1.00 in each of the past two seasons with the new ball (albeit in only 12 starts) and they expect him to double that. Julio Teheran the past two seasons has averaged 1.23 HR/9, 1.16 for his career, and is projected for 1.75.

As I said, the past 2 years during the HR explosion, only 3 qualified pitchers had HR/9 above 1.72 which indicates those are outliers, and not an expectation. There's a bit of a survivor bias since the truly terrible non-Orioles would have lost their rotation spot before they made enough starts to qualify if they gave up 2 HR/9. But even still, something is up here. Maybe Steamer knows something about the new ball that nobody else does. Or more realistically, the change in the ball has screwed up their algorithm.
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